The Gods of Atheism - Fr. Vincent Miceli
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Fr. Vincent Miceli breaks ground in this analysis of seventeen Enlightenment theologians and philosophers who contributed to the rise of atheism. He explores their efforts and successes in convincing mankind to deny the existence of God, and he demonstrates how atheism has succeeded by creating mythical gods to stand in the place of God. What Fr. Miceli shows is that each tenet of atheism doesn’t deny the existence of a Higher Power; it simply replaces the true Power with a false power.
Fr. Miceli will help you spot those “practical atheists” of our day—those who, despite calling themselves Christians, water down Christianity and reduce God to a reflection of their own personal desires.
You’ll also learn how the devil tempts us against the Faith and how this leads to infidelity and habitual denials of God. Fr. Miceli gives important examples how the influence of philosophers such as Camus has corrupted man’s understanding of social justice.
The Gods of Atheism will help you understand how and why our society has fallen into such a state of religious indifference and corruption—and how to navigate, and even thrive in, this post-Christian culture with unwavering faith in the one true God.
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This post has 18 comments with rating of 3.7/5
May 20th, 2023
“What Fr. Miceli shows is that each tenet of atheism doesn’t deny the existence of a Higher Power; it simply replaces the true Power with a false power.”
What manure.
May 21st, 2023
Grotesque simpleton who can’t function without the idea of some higher power, think everyone must be like him.
May 21st, 2023
Triggered atheists are hilarious.
May 21st, 2023
As a child, I so loved God that I wanted to become a priest. Then after years of abuse when not one prayer was answered in any way, I started to turn away. Then in the army, I tried again yet all I found were the most judgemental people I ever saw. The most holier than thou. So I walked away again. I live by the simple idea that if Christians are in heaven I would rather burn in hell. At least then it would be honest. It is not god I disagree with it is his followers. This book is another proof of my beliefs.
May 21st, 2023
I’m sorry to hear of your experiences, cluckers. You always seem like a thoroughly decent person. My own experiences would be the direct opposite, with aggressive anti-theist intolerance being observed instead.
Thanks to rmoor as usual for all the great books.
May 21st, 2023
As usual, an author telling atheists’ what we are thinking. Theist = Believes in some form of god, Atheist = Not convinced any god exists, That’s it.
May 21st, 2023
Anyone that doesn’t believe people are actually ghosts that go to another dimension where magic man that made the universe lives when their meat puppet wears out are crazy and just believe something ridiculous instead!
May 21st, 2023
Crikey, it’d certainly be avant-garde to be convinced of all that cool stuff! But Christians have had to make do with necessary causation (argum from contingency) & a cause that is the sheer act of ‘being’ itself (Ipsum esse subsistens). Oh, and the salvific power of transcendent love. Not very radical, I know, but it’s always nice to get other takes.
As for defining atheism (even theism), there are many perspectives. Positive/negative; Gray’s seven types; a more ideological, attacking kind, etc.
May 21st, 2023
“… mythical gods to stand in the place of God …” it would seem Miceli doesn’t understand what atheism means. Why would I read something whose premise is based on such an obvious fallacy?
May 22nd, 2023
spencerthayer-
Because you are a fool with a very poor grasp of things as they truly are.
Thanks Rmoorf—
May 22nd, 2023
I’m not the one who wrote an entire book based on a fallacious strawman.
May 22nd, 2023
Well, the use of “mythical gods” to substitute for meaning would refer to more temporal distractions & diversions. For inst, materialism, an obsession with money, power, fame/reputation/status, pleasure, the self in isolation from others.
These are the things which people typically fill their emptiness with - to discover that none actually satisfy.
May 23rd, 2023
The scope of the atheist critique of theism isn’t concerned with meaning. It’s an irrelevant distraction.
May 24th, 2023
Meaning is an irrelevant distraction. There’s the problem.
June 3rd, 2023
Cluckers. Self righteous, and abusive Christians aren’t following the teachings of Christ. A profess to believe does not a holy person make, It’s our actions that define us. I feel for your experience, I have had similar, what gives me comfort is that the actions of so called Christians does not define the Gospel of Christ and it’s truths. The Church is like a hospital, we are all sick trying to get well. Everyone sins, I try not to judge others because they sin differently than I do.
June 8th, 2023
Materialism isn’t an obsession with money/power, it’s a philosophical stance that attempts to assign objective value to all things that are material and tangible and asserts that immaterial things are unquantifiable.
It also has nothing to do with atheism. Atheists are no more or less “materialists” than anybody else in a capitalist society, and statistically, atheists are more likely to be socialists than capitalists. Do you reject materialism? Do you not accept that material goods have value? Sounds like a foolish thing to believe. Any evidence to support this assertion? Seems to me that the only thing false about materialism is that it asserts that the bible is worth the paper it’s printed on.
June 14th, 2023
No, Brian, excessively reductive. Materialism is also regarding material distractions - preoccupation w money/power/pleasure/stuff, the self in isolation from others - as more important than anything else. More than one meaning, you see. Also relevant to the subject here. The things which people typically fill their emptiness with - to discover that none actually satisfy.
Materialism is also a “theory or belief that nothing exists except matter, its movements & modifications.” That all things, incl mental states & consciousness, are results of material interactions of material things.
So, you see, more than merely “assigning value.” Immaterial things are also not just equivocal - they’re out.
And materialism “has nothing to do w atheism?” - P’haps, atheist materialism?
No, atheists are usually materialists, rejecting the idea that there exists anything independent of the workings of matter & energy. Materialism often entails atheism. Unless you hold that atheism is immaterial?
Then you move to “capitalism” (back to the other species of “materialism”).
“Do you reject materialism?” - That’s a complex question. There’s a necessity to deconstruct it. Briefly: I think that the definition of materialism as being an obsession with stuff rather than other beings, objective value & ethics, is profoundly unhealthy, so yes, as ought to be clear from my earlier post, I reject that.
“Do you not accept that material goods have value?” - Of course material goods have value - I did not indicate otherwise - but it ought only be a functional value, a substantial means to a greater, more positive end; not an ultimate value.
“Sounds like a foolish thing to believe” - That seems to be where the world is headed, right enough.
“Any evidence to support this assertion?” - Seems contingent upon your philosophy of life; your approach to ethics, politics, values, society, culture; whether “stuff” represents your ultimate concern, etc. etc.
As to the question of possibly rejecting philosophical materialism: a logically consistent materialism (& atheism, incidentally) - the belief that physical reality is ultimately the only reality - concludes in eliminativism. Consequently, the materialistic conception of nature urges a radical departure from our understanding of mind, consciousness, qualia, human nature. It can conceive of the human person only through a mechanistic lens. For if matter is all there is, then the person is just part of the machine. Mind itself is a mere organ, like a heart or liver, bound by the laws of physics, concerned with nothing but the survival & reproduction of its subject. Truth, then, is at best a byproduct or secondary concern of the materialistic mind. It is a secretion of sorts. This means eliminating objective value, the trustworthiness of our thoughts & free will, purpose, meaning, logic, morality, the scientific project, intelligibility, goodness, ethics, etc. (No biggie, then…)
(As an obstinate aside, this claim of materialism is not one that physics can authenticate or adjudicate. It can say nothing for or against truth, morality, meaning, & the like, because these are metaphysical matters, that is, beyond physics.)
“only thing false abt materialism” - That, again, is too reductive of such a conceptually/contextually complex question.
“bible is worth paper it’s print on” - Which Bible? Which book? Which aspect or dimension of the Bible? The Sermon on the Mount; the parables of the Good Samaritan and the Prodigal Son; the Book of Job; the Pauline Letters; the Gospel of Matthew? That all the objective values & ethics are “false?” The commitments to justice, equality, love, forgiveness, charity? Another enormous subject, of incalculable value. Academics spend lifetimes on these scholarly questions.
July 2nd, 2023
“That all things, incl mental states & consciousness, are results of material interactions of material things.”
Which is a true statement.
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“Immaterial things are also not just equivocal - they’re out.”
Family exists as a concept even to materialists. Love, Passion, romance, that little dopamine hit you get when you accomplish a goal.
So you’re wrong. Unquantifiable, but not unknown. Not even necessarily equivocal.
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“That’s a complex question. There’s a necessity to deconstruct it. Briefly: I think that the definition of materialism as being an obsession with stuff rather than other beings, objective value & ethics, is profoundly unhealthy, so yes, as ought to be clear from my earlier post, I reject that.”
So, like every apologist ever, you’ve constructed a straw man to reject? Rather than providing an example of some phenomenon that does NOT arise from some kind of material interaction, you take the cheap and easy points and bail. Cool.
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“Any evidence to support this assertion?” - Seems contingent upon your philosophy of life; your approach to ethics, politics, values, society, culture; whether “stuff” represents your ultimate concern, etc. etc.”
Nope. Whether or not economics *exists* has nothing to do with politics, but once again, you choose to be disingenuous and ignore the structure of the argument because thinking is hard.
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“Mind itself is a mere organ, like a heart or liver, bound by the laws of physics, concerned with nothing but the survival & reproduction of its subject.”
Another true statement.
I surmise, however from the poetry that preceded it that you emotionally disagree with this fact which you have presented me with? I’m not really sure what to do with that. Facts are what they are.
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Truth, then, is at best a byproduct or secondary concern of the materialistic mind.
No? Computers are extremely valuable. Planes. All of science. It’s almost impossible to quantify it’s value, but truth and fact is the most important thing to a materialist. It’s tangible. As tangible as the space-foam engineered mattress that I sleep on.
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This means eliminating objective value, the trustworthiness of our thoughts & free will, purpose, meaning, logic, morality, the scientific project, intelligibility, goodness, ethics, etc.
You seem to have let your diatribe run away from you. Materialists have one, single, driving belief, that All things can be quantified. It’s a subcategory of naturalism. You appear to have gotten materialism and nihilism mixed up.
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“This claim of materialism is not one that physics can authenticate or adjudicate. It can say nothing for or against truth, morality, meaning, & the like, because these are metaphysical matters, that is, beyond physics.”
Eh, Truth, with a capital T isn’t a “metaphysical matter” it’s a lie. It’s like infinity. Useful, but impossible to achieve because you can always look a little bit closer, dive a little bit deeper, learn a little bit more. But Facts do exist, and are real. F=MA is True with a capital T. 2+2=4 is also True. Materialists don’t have a paradigm consistent with those truths, but they still are true.
“only thing false about materialism”
A) Joke
B) There you go again. Now you’re breaking sentences in half so that you can ignore context and conjure strawmen to attack. Do you notice above how I responded to your entire point at once, even when it was, gasp, multiple sentences; and not a single out of context sentence? That’s how adults have conversations.
C) Yes. That bible.
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