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  northernrunner
  October 13th, 2023
  

  Thank you!

  Much appreciated!

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  erich.schmid_live1
  October 13th, 2023
  

  thank you !!

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  Within
  October 13th, 2023
  

  Jesus stand with Palestinian people

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  ssafe05
  October 13th, 2023
  

  

  Thank you.

  We stand with the people of Israel

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  Goomer
  October 13th, 2023
  

  

  Thank you.

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  privateero
  October 13th, 2023
  

  

  a false flag by israel, there is NO way they didn’t know what was coming on the most monitored and secure border in the world, and that is from ex intelligence IDF soldier Efrat Fenigson ! Watch and share to see what is really happening there, for the sake of countless innocent children https://concen.org/node/45859

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  werbern
  October 13th, 2023
  

  “To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.”

  “If you want peace, prepare for war.”

  First we Make war, then we make Peace.
  But war First.

  Hamas as a regime must be wiped off. there is no place for a nazi ideologues on Israel’s border. The state came to be exactly to prevent that.
  In the aftermath we will have to conceive a political resolution for Gaza that includes all the moderate arab states and the Palestinian authority. That’s the only way to provide a future. And for sure, we will have to make some major concessions to the Palestinians, no doubt about that.

  But war First.

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  

  What ssafe said.
  All Hamas wants is to indoctrinate more evil nazis like themselves.

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  Delf
  October 13th, 2023
  

  Mohammed Deif, said the assault was in response to the 16-year blockade of Gaza, Israeli raids inside West Bank cities over the past year, violence at Al Aqsa — the disputed Jerusalem holy site sacred to Jews as the Temple Mount — increasing attacks by settlers on Palestinians and the growth of settlements.

  Who again is the NAZI’s. ??? Is not GAZA just a Getto

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  “Who again is the NAZI’s. ???” - Mohammed Deif is one as well - and anyone who supports & approves of him, and the nazis like him.
  Disgusting that anyone would approvingly quote the phckbag who planned these murders.

  The Palestinian ambassador to the UK, Husan Zumlot, has refused to condemn Hamas’ multiple murders & rapes.

  Hamas’ Head of Political & International Relations has even falsely claimed that no civilians have been killed by Hamas.

  All of this while the 1,300 brutally murdered people are being buried (with a further 3,300 injured; & over 150 hostages) - rockets continue to be launched at Jewish people as the funerals are in progress.

  These evil Hamas nazis indulged in a frenzy of murder & rape. I won’t even attempt to describe what was done to children.
  Does anyone now imagine that these nazis want peace?

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  cydbatholmey
  October 13th, 2023
  

  

  Thank you for sharing this!

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  Delf
  October 13th, 2023
  

  @ caesar963

  How many Palistinians does Isreal hold against their will. How many Palistinians and NON jews died. Does SAYING that a political Party is Nazi make the Nazi’s. Your relegion has held a people hosyage with no escape for 56 yrs. Your leader is a War monger. Isreal does not believe in democracy or the rights of none jews. So Please tell me. How Many of the Humas members committed this frenzy of murder & rape. And Isreal attacked these people or did they attaxk residential housing, but then None isrealies don’t count as dead, injured (Murdered and raped) in your opinions. Yes iy is bad when two sides go to war. BUT maybe Isreal shouldn’t attack other countries.

  You see some of us REMEMBER we remember when Isreal was arming Jerico missiles with Nukes.

  So NO - I am not a lover of arabs, I am a white Englishman, But wrong is wrong.

  Palistine needs peace! The people deserve peace! Not isreal’s rule and retaliation for simply hitting back.

  Your corrupt president wants war to secure his own agenda. He is getting rid of oversight is he not.. So soon you will have your Autocratic State. My heart weeps for you. In your vengance you create your own SS and Hitler.

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  “Your corrupt president wants war” - Michael D. Higgins?

  “is bad when two sides go to war” - Spare us the hypocrisy, you’re quoting - with approval - the Hamas phckbag who planned all these murders. But then murdered & raped Jewish people don’t matter.
  What Hamas nazis want is thousands of dead Jews AND thousands of dead Arab Muslims. That’s their agenda. This is why they don’t want anyone to leave their houses & apartments right now - because anything that would reduce casualties is out of the question.
  If they could, they’d engineer another Holocaust. In a heartbeat. Because they’re evil nazis.

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  Delf
  October 13th, 2023
  

  Hmmmm, Yet another sain outburst. Why should 1.1 MILLION yes that’s 1,100.000 inocent people have to leave their houses and go WHERE? because if they don’t! Isreal will bomb them, AND this is Humas’s fault how? Not the person sending the bombs?

  Anyway lets agree to disagree. After all. A man with terrible sence of direction led the CHOSEN for 40 yrs through a desert and gave a land he didn’t own. BUT, he probably had a frock and a silly Hat and told them God spoke to him..

  He Had the Commandments though, Shame No 11: Thou should not enslave your neighbours, and 12: Thou shall not Bomb they neighbour’s Children, was missing off the tablet…

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  …yeah, no sanity at all there. People are being advised to go south to avoid becoming casualties.
  “AND this is Humas’s fault how?” - Are you demented? Have you just woken from a coma?
  “sending the bombs” - Yes, why did Hamas do this?
  You can go back over the history of the Jewish people’s ancient homeland all you wish - and all the times it was brutally invaded.
  You might want to remind the Hamas nazis that they should not commit multiple murders & rapes.

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  Delf
  October 13th, 2023
  

  “Your corrupt president wants war” - Michael D. Higgins? - Never heard of the guy? But obviously he shares the same rational views. Don’t know what a phckbag is, but I kinda doubt its a term of endearment. AND, Non Jews are Evil - Got it - Thank you ceasar (Nice Name BTW) for your unbiased litenary.

  Ever thought of going into Isreali Politics, I have a feeling you would do well there…

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  You’re trying to justify multiple murders & rapes by quoting with approval the Hamas nazi who planned all of this. Because murdered & raped Jewish people don’t matter. Got you.
  “AND this is Humas’s fault how?” - Bias?

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  Delf
  October 13th, 2023
  

  I’ll make it clear. Then allow you the last word. There are Millions of Palasinions on the West Bank and Gaza that need to be allowed to live their own lives without brutal overloards penning them in like animals. In the UK we too had what we called the troubles, Dacades of terrorist attacks. We did not resort to bombing Council estates in Belfast. Mass murder of civilians.

  Isreal suffered a horrific attack, an attack that was at least in part provoked by its 56yr hold on the palistinian people. BUT Not all the Palistinians are to blame. By all means arrest the terroists, BUT also arrst your own members that authorised the use of military weapons on a civilian targer, A target they knew housed inocent children.

  If you don’t like your president being called a war monger, Then perhaps he shouldn’t declare war against inocent civilians on camara.

  The countries military is supossed to defend its people, not attack others.

  Your use of Nazi. Millions upon millions of Nazi’s were decent people. Over the last 80 yrs they have rebuilt Germany into what it is today. Yes it had an insain ruler that did away with oversight. (Similarity anywhere) it also persecuted several ethnic people (2nd Simularity).

  But Not all Germans where Nazi’s and not all Nazi’s evil…. We are all individualls, each capable of atrocity, Should I stand silient whilst fools scream War and lets kill all the children.

  I understand your anger, BUT that is all it is. Direct it at the government that was suppose to prevent this. Not the inocents, they wish you to murder in their name.

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  Why would anyone try to justify multiple murders & rapes by quoting with approval the Hamas nazi who planned all of it? Simply because murdered & raped Jewish people don’t matter. That’s on you.

  “your president…a war monger” - Michael D. Higgins?

  On the Troubles, you are lying again. The British state was one of the terrorist actors in that conflict. The British state murdered peaceful civil rights campaigners, colluded with loyalist terrorists & also engaged in bombings, torture & murders/assassinations/”shoot to kill” operations. They essentially operated an apartheid state for decades.

  “Millions upon millions of Nazi’s were decent people…not all Nazi’s evil.” ??????

  Nice troll job.

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  Within
  October 13th, 2023
  

  

  @ssafe05

  I stand with my Feet

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  Delf
  October 13th, 2023
  

  Caesar - You are a Zealot and a lair. You have persistantly used Hate throughout your posts. Nowhere did I once justify or approve of the killings. Yet you claim I did. You accuse me of Plagarism, Trolling and being demented.

  You are the Nazi (as you define it) in these discussions. You are the one that describes Butal Murder when refering to Jews but Collateral when considering none Jews.

  You really need to read up on Nazi and Jews, Because my friend, Hitler would welcome you with open Arms and I’m sure you would return the embrase. You are like peas in a pod. Each shouting rhetoric and Genocide.

  Hiele Ceaser

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  You immediately & hatefully tried to justify multiple murders & rapes by quoting with approval the Hamas nazi who planned all of it - in your very first post (bad move). Simply because you “think” that murdered & raped Jewish people don’t matter. That’s all on you.
  Nowhere did I say “collateral” anything - you did.

  I define nazi as Jew-hating murderer. Whereas you define nazi in this fashion, “Millions upon millions of Nazi’s were decent people…not all Nazi’s evil.”
  Seriously.

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  Delf
  October 13th, 2023
  

  I am so Sorry. You are quite right! I did imply that I think Murdered and Raped Kewish people don’t matter. I write it here plain to see..

  “Mohammed Deif, said the assault was in response to the 16-year blockade of Gaza, Israeli raids inside West Bank cities over the past year, violence at Al Aqsa — the disputed Jerusalem holy site sacred to Jews as the Temple Mount — increasing attacks by settlers on Palestinians and the growth of settlements.”

  Yep there it is. The proof that I said Murder and Rapeing Jews is great and that I fully endorse all actions of Humas.

  You Got me. How could I ever expect to hide such a blatent lie!

  I must be wearing a frock and a silly hat, to think peaple would’t see exactly what I wrote.

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  Yes, you see it. You sought out and chose to quote with approval the Hamas nazi who planned multiple murders & rapes. And that was your very first move. Why would anyone seek out & choose to quote with approval the planner of the murders, rather than anyone else whatsoever?

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  Delf
  October 13th, 2023
  

  Yep you got me! I’ll admit it, I also stuck the spear in Jesus, for kick over the jewish money lenders jars, I whispered in the ear of Stalin, Hitler and I were BBF’s and Deif (That’s Mo to his mates) and I are secret lovers. I think God exist in spite of religion, not because of it, and Piss Ants like Caeser, who has probably never fought in a War should be elected Supreme Commander of the Jewish Jihad.

  Unfortunately I have fought in a war. I am also over 60yrs old. Once there was a Palistine, that offered secur to the persecuted Jews of Europe, and they came in there hundreds of thousands. 650,000 all told. Safe from evil. Errr How did that end for the Palistinians. The Jews demanded 80% of the land and fenced off their saviors. For the none Jew is an animal.

  I’m not against Jews, I’m against religions that spout, Them and Us. I believe that a world without religion would be far safer than, one with. I dispise those who crave war, for they are ALWAYS those who haven’t fought one.

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  Yet there it is - why did you specifically seek out & choose to quote with approval the Hamas nazi who planned multiple murders & rapes - in your very first post? Why quote him if you did not agree with him? You could have quoted anyone else. As “explanation” there you just threw up a load of meaningless flannel. Admit it & own it.

  So, do you think Jews had no presence in historic Israel/Judea? No continuing habitation? Did King Faisal welcome Jews from Europe back to their ancestral homeland? Was there a Jewish majority in Jerusalem? Did any land purchases take place at all? Were there any pogroms towards the Jews?
  “war…Jews of Europe…Errr How did that end for the Palistinians?” - Well, the Jews & Christians were the Palestinians at that point. The Nomadic Arab population variously considered themselves to be part of Syria or Bedouins (Naqab). They were definitively not Palestinians, which was a term Arab Muslims rejected as only referring to the Jewish & Christian inhabitants of the region.

  Hamas have been in control in Gaza since 2005 (no elections since that date) & are hatefully indoctrinating children - when they’re not killing children - that Jews are uniquely the source of evil in the world.

  “I dispise those who crave war” - Yet here again, you sought out & chose to quote with approval the Hamas nazi who planned multiple murders & rapes. And then you “dispise those who crave war?”
  Not a credible witness.

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  “world without religion would be far safer than with” - Wars are fought for purposes of power, resources, territory & fear - not religion. Tribalism has many markers. This is about territory.

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  Delf
  October 13th, 2023
  

  Seriously, Have you never heard of the crusades or Jihads. Yes, the wars have been about power, Like, who gets to wear the funny hat. (Got to give that one to the Pope, but it would be a close run contest)

  Tribalism is Religion. “Us v Them” never “We are Human”. You may nay say, but religion is a Tribal Belief, Not a factoid.

  The God said this and the God said that stories are that, Stories. There is an old Irish saying. Don’t ask a religion for Charity, Charity goes only one way. Now if those buggers Truely believed in what they spout, wouldn’t the churches be poorer than the people.

  Religion is a Multi Trillion Dollar Business, where its proponants swindle the poor because they say god told them to.

  Lets see how much money comes from the Vatican or the Mosques and Temples to pay. for the medical costs and rebuildng costs (Well they will have fund raisers for the Temples and Mosques - obviously, the poor will pay for that or they can’t go to Heaven)

  Every Christian knows that God is all knowing and all powerful, But crap with money so needs some cash for the roof of his house.

  Sorry to pee on your dinner but religion is a big joke. Shame you will find this out only at the end.

  In God, I believe, is fine, In religion I believe is just stupidity.

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  audiobookbay800
  October 13th, 2023
  

  

  Thank you!!

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  Seriously, did you never read about the Crusades? The Byzantines repeatedly requested aid from W. Europe to protect those in the East who were being continuously attacked (2/3s of all territories had been brutally “put to the sword”), including attacks & mass murders. W. European kingdoms sent aid, but ultimately it was too little, too late.
  Territory.

  “Tribalism is Relig” - No, they’re discrete, there may intersecting interests.

  “relig is Tribal Belief” - No, a person from any “tribe” or ethnic group can join or leave a religion.
  As I said, tribalism has many markers.

  Again, wars are fought for purposes of power, resources, territory & fear - not relig. That’s merely a historiographical & political fact.

  But not to distract from your specifically seeking out & choosing to quote with approval the Hamas nazi who planned multiple murders & rapes - in your very first post. Why quote him if you did not agree with him? You could have quoted anyone else. As “explanation” there you just threw up a load of meaningless flannel. Admit it & own it.

  Do you imagine Jews had no presence in historic Israel/Judea? No continuing habitation? Did King Faisal welcome Jews from Europe back to their ancestral homeland? Was there a Jewish majority in Jerusalem? Did any land purchases take place at all? Were there any pogroms towards the Jews?
  “war…Jews of Europe…Errr How did that end for the Palistinians?” - Well, the Jews & Christians were the Palestinians at that point. The Nomadic Arab population variously considered themselves to be part of Syria or Bedouins (Naqab). They were definitively not Palestinians, which was a term Arab Muslims rejected as only referring to the Jewish & Christian inhabitants of the region.

  Hamas have been in control in Gaza since 2005 (no elections since that date) & are hatefully indoctrinating children - when they’re not killing children - that Jews are uniquely the source of evil in the world.

  “I dispise those who crave war” - Yet here again, you sought out & chose to quote with approval the Hamas nazi who planned multiple murders & rapes. And then you “dispise those who crave war?”
  Not a credible witness.

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  Delf
  October 13th, 2023
  

  When you throw a coin in the air there are 3 sides, Not two. The same can be said with regards to the truth. There is your verion (Lets call it Heads) and Deif’s version (lets call it tails.). Then there is the absolute truth. (The coins edge). Unfortunately coins vary rarely land on the edge. And the truth follows its example.

  Look at your own persumptions. I sought out Deif’s opinion. Wrong, I agree with his claims, Point out the lie. did Isreal not get condemned by the UN over the Mosque isisdent. Did NOT the UN rule that the settlements were contery to the Genevere Convetion. Has Isreal been repeatedly condemned by the UN for its treatment of the people of Gaza and the West Bank - ARE THERE Isreali only roads? USA Had Whites Only rules too once. You are blinded by your religion, your idea of self is not as a human butas a Jew.

  Reject those falsehoods and declare yourself a “Human Being”. Human Beings do NOT want to start killing helpless children. Religious Zealots do…. Human Beings tell the funny hat wears to go F**k themselves when asked to bomb children.

  God created Human Beings, Religion created zealots!

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  That’s utterly incoherent. Your quote is specifically from the Hamas nazi who planned multiple murders & rapes. You quote the Hamas nazi with approval. Where did you source this quote? Why quote him specifically? You could have quoted anyone else. As “explanation” you throw up even more meaningless flannel.
  And your “You’re a Jew!” line of reasoning is getting tired. I’m not Jewish, I don’t have to be in order to be appalled at what your Hamas nazi did.

  I already explained to you where wars come from.
  As for only “religious zealots” kill/bomb children, everyone else refuses; you must be unfamiliar with, uh, the entirety of human history. How many millions of children were killed & bombed during the First & Second World Wars? How many millions of children were killed by the Soviets, the national socialists, the Maoists, & all the other genocidal ideologies? All secular - with stupid hats; many of them specifically murderous of religious people? Did everyone refuse to kill & bomb children? Do you really think that? You need to finally read some history.

  And are you ass-erting that Jews had no presence in historic Israel/Judea? No continuing habitation? Did King Faisal welcome Jews from Europe back to their ancestral homeland? Was there a Jewish majority in Jerusalem? Did any land purchases take place at all? Were there any pogroms towards the Jews?
  “war…Jews of Europe…Errr How did that end for the Palistinians?” - Well, the Jews & Christians were the Palestinians at that point. The Nomadic Arab population variously considered themselves to be part of Syria or Bedouins (Naqab). They were definitively not Palestinians, which was a term Arab Muslims rejected as only referring to the Jewish & Christian inhabitants of the region.

  Again, Hamas have been in control in Gaza since 2005 (no elections since that date) & are hatefully indoctrinating children - when they’re not killing children - that Jews are uniquely the source of evil in the world.

  Yet again, your “I dispise those who crave war” - Yet here again, you sought out & chose to quote with approval the Hamas nazi who planned multiple murders & rapes. And then you “dispise those who crave war?”
  Not a credible witness.

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  Within
  October 13th, 2023
  

  @Delf

  Zio caesar963 always called for a Palestinians genocide. he is protestant fanatic who sees jews in palestine fulfilling the armageddon prophecy for a second coming of jesus once a third temple is built where the jews must accept jesus to be saved or be annihilated themselves. he still can’t forget that success of the early muslims in the 7 century against his chosen group he still living in ancient events.

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  A direct lie there, from the nazi Within. I have always supported the fundamental human rights of all individuals, there & elsewhere. What I do not support are genocidal terrorists, such as Within. (He must have been waiting to get in.)

  Within has repeatedly expressed his sleazy desire that all Jewish people be murdered (he must be happy) in another genocide, during which, as he said, he will “feel no pity.” Repulsive.

  Another lie: I am not in fact Protestant.
  (And I’m not sure what all the “temple” stuff is about, to be quite honest. Sounds like he’s hit his fascist head again.)

  Of course, all educated people recognise that Israel is the ancient homeland of the Jewish people, but that’s merely an historical fact.

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  caesar963
  October 13th, 2023
  

  Not that there’s anything wrong with Protestants - a great bunch of lads altogether.

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  Delf
  October 14th, 2023
  

  

  @ jaslyn1

  Sincerist appologies. I forgot to thank you for this and the othe issues uploaded. Excellent work I really apprieciate it.

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  privateero
  October 14th, 2023
  

  

  Caesar you can reference history all you want, and while the violence of hamas seems abhorrent, it still doesn’t justify the war crimes and illegal occupation and violence against those in Gaza and Palestine, the biggest open air prison and concentration camp. Period.

  The idea that the whole IDF and mossad by accident messed this up is a rich joke indeed, Efrat Fenigson and Shai Dannon expose this like many others. This is akin to being outraged at children growing up to lash out with violence after being tortured, bombed and terrorized all their lives. It is a perverse aspect of the mental illness of statism, and a pathological example of propping up the state of Israel to a royal and holy status just because jews may have suffered persecution in the past, and which group hasn’t? The cruel irony of all this is the psychopathic maniacs who run Satanyahu would cut your goyim throat in a heartbeat, you don’t have to look far for the maniacal hatred of some extreme Zionists and Jews of note, but you are blind with faith in your progressive religion of Jewish-persecution worship, and the world suffers because of it. The cabal behind Israel hates us, it is a fact, and countless free-thinking Jews would agree with everything i said. There is undebatable extreme jewish extremism and hatred of non-jews built into aspects of their holy books, their religious leaders and their documented history and association with radical communism, especially Bolshevism and Communism, that murdered tens of millions of my countrymen

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  caesar963
  October 14th, 2023
  

  cuckoo, cuckoo.

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  Delf
  October 14th, 2023
  

  @ privateero, I think his home help arrived with his straight Jacket. Thank you for you insightful reply. And credit where credit is due. You managed not to be labled a Nazi, and got a more intelectual response from hime than I ever managed.

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  caesar963
  October 14th, 2023
  

  …yet another confused cuckoo. Your admiring description of nazis: “Millions upon millions of Nazi’s were decent people…not all Nazi’s evil.” Whereas I define nazi as Jew-hating murderer. A fortiori you pursued your admiration of nazis by quoting with approval the Hamas nazi who planned multiple murders & rapes. Revealing, you couldn’t answer why you quoted him specifically, when you could have quoted anyone else. As “explanation” you throw up meaningless flannel.
  And you attempted to weaponise identity by deploying “You’re a Jew!” tactics.

  You “thought” that only “religious zealots” kill/bomb children, & everyone else refuses; in spite of the fact that all throughout history, millions of children have been killed, including the killings & bombings during the First & Second World Wars. And the many millions of children killed by the Soviets, the national socialists, the Maoists, & all the other genocidal ideologies. All secular - with stupid hats; many of them specifically murderous of religious people. Consequently, everyone did not refuse to kill & bomb children.

  And you imagine that Jews had no presence in historic Israel/Judea; no continuing habitation; King Faisal did not apparently welcome Jews from Europe back to their ancestral homeland; there was not a Jewish majority in Jerusalem; land purchases did not take place; there were no pogroms towards the Jews, etc. etc.
  Moreover, “war…Jews of Europe…Errr How did that end for the Palistinians?” - Well, the Jews & Christians were the Palestinians at that point. The Nomadic Arab population variously considered themselves to be part of Syria or Bedouins (Naqab). They were definitively not Palestinians, which was a term Arab Muslims rejected as only referring to the Jewish & Christian inhabitants of the region.

  Again, Hamas have been in control in Gaza since 2005 (no elections since that date) & are hatefully indoctrinating children - when they’re not killing children - that Jews are uniquely the source of evil in the world.

  Yet again, your “I dispise those who crave war” - Yet here again, you sought out & chose to quote with approval the Hamas nazi who planned multiple murders & rapes. And then you “dispise those who crave war?”
  Not a credible witness.

  And you invoke the Troubles - while being wholly ignorant of the conflict. Bizarre.

  What even brings you to a book site of all places? It’s scarcely your natural habitat, me ol’ mucker.

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  Delf338
  October 14th, 2023
  

  I’ve uploaded about 60 books onto this site since over the last 9 yrs. As Delf or Delf338. I have loaded counless others as guest. I also uploaded 30 - 40 books on MAM have 560 book on Audible and a few on audiobooks.com. I first started a subscription with the Economist in 1985 and didn’t end that subscription until 2012.

  My interests are varied, although I do enjoy Science Fiction, Fantacy and Horror. I’m a qualifified Flying Instructor including an Examiner of Instructors. and have designed and certified two aircraft (Ultralights) and I have a degree in Accountancy and Law.

  How nice of you to ask. What brings you to a book site. Are you an Uploader, Teacher, prehaps an Economist or Barrister. (I have an idea what you may be - but that is just my spiteful nature).

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  caesar963
  October 14th, 2023
  

  The internet-based profile is gratuitous. However, interestingly enough, one of my own degrees is in law, & I also practiced (what are your foundational intuitions on jurisprudence, for inst?).
  I must say that, from all the evidence you offer here, you do not express yourself as a person who holds a degree. Added to that, an education & training in law acquaints one with the principles of logic, & all your arguments have been confused, emotional & ill-informed. You have no knowledge of history or politics, as you yourself revealed.
  Consequently, books on these subjects do not seem to form part of your fabled erudition. Unless you have favoured works of historiography?

  In any event, we ought not be distracted; all of the substantive issues of concern remain.

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  Delf338
  October 14th, 2023
  

  Just as a point of fact. There are no jews in Isreal, there are no Christians, Muslims or Budistis. However, There are Human Beings with various beliefs!

  In your mind there are Them and Us. In mine there are only people. Many misguided by religion to believe they are Differant, That they are Special. That theier lives are more important than others.

  BUT and this is a fact. It is all in their Minds. They are dilusional. They are simply Human Beings.

  Sorry to Burst your Bubble. Your not special, their is no them and us, There is only a WE.

  And you want to attack your brothers and sisters and kill their children because a different brother or sister killed and raped someone you possibly don’t even know..

  HOW PATHETIC IS YOUR LIFE…..How twisted is your mind? The people you want to kill are your relatives.

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  Delf338
  October 14th, 2023
  

  My Uncle was A professor of History at Manchester University. Yes he is Jewish. I may seem confused; however, that is because I am on 240 mlg of Morphine a day and 240 mls of Codiene as well as blood thinners and countless other medication. (The True Cost of War) My disabilities make it difficult to type due to missing fingers.

  As to area of Law. I studied at Hull University for 5 yrs in Accounting and Law, (Business Law) And for the record. I googled the reason for the stike on Isreal, AND THE ONLY reasons stated were by the person you claim was responsible.

  So Yes I hit the Jackpot, I mean if he orcastrated the attack, He probably knows the reason, Right? Talk about a lucky hit. (always nice to get it from the horses mouth. As one practiced in Law, you must agree)

  Principles of logic, Ah, I don’t add Adverbs, like Hatefully, Brutally, Frenzious, and the pronown, NAZI. to the conversations. Yep, I didn’t study your branch of logic and coherant thought.

  (Strange Nazi were Nationalists and Isreals political party is also Nationalist - can get confusing there when you say Nazi all they time)

  http://david.delf.pro. My son made this for me in 2012? maybe it will shed a little light.

  Some of us are who we say. Some of us shout NAZI without knowing what we say.

  PS. The handsome one is me back in the 80’s

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  caesar963
  October 14th, 2023
  

  “There are no jews in Isreal” - More falsehood. From your vast reading you will doubtless know that Judaism is a religion & an ethnicity. People of no faith can also be Jews. You did not know this?
  In my mind everyone is a dignified, rights-bearing individual (you’ll appreciate this from your legal studies?) - and each human person is of incalculable value.

  In your mind there is only Them & Us - which was revealed when you deployed your “You’re a Jew!” tactic.
  This is why you believe that, as you yourself said, “Millions upon millions of Nazi’s were decent people…not all Nazi’s evil.”
  Indeed: “HOW PATHETIC IS YOUR LIFE…..How twisted is your mind? The people you want to kill are your relatives.”
  Whereas I define nazi as Jew-hating murderer. A fortiori you pursued your admiration of nazis by quoting with approval the Hamas nazi who planned multiple murders & rapes. Revealingly, you couldn’t answer why you quoted him specifically, when you could have quoted anyone else. As “explanation” you throw up meaningless flannel. HOW PATHETIC IS YOUR LIFE? Absolutely…

  “It is all in their Minds. They are dilusional” - You cannot enter another person’s mind - an entire people’s mind - and evaluate them all as delusional. That itself is delusion - & arrogance upon stilts.

  “Your not special” - Didn’t claim to be. I cannot, for inst, declare that entire people’s are delusional. That would be fatuously ignorant.

  “There is only a WE” - There are only dignified individuals.

  And you want to attack your brothers & sisters & kill their children” - What in the Sam hill are you on about? You want to kill a what now?

  But this is all by way of distraction (you’re so easily distracted!), we both studied law & could also reflect on principles of jurisprudence. You did say you studied law? And Accountancy? And were a barrister? An Examiner? of A designer? A Teacher? An Economist? A Cosmonaut (okay, that’s made up!).
  You must have some legal reflections? What about Strasbourg & the Convention?

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  caesar963
  October 14th, 2023
  

  “the person you claim was responsible” - You think I’m the sole source of that? That this Hamas leader had command & control operations?
  The point stands that you quoted with approval the Hamas nazi who planned multiple murders & rapes. You were reasonably satisfied that he would give you a balanced view?
  “if he orcastrated the attack, He probably knows the reason, Right?” - He’s an ideological fanatic, who plans murder operations; so you think he’s best placed to give you anything other than murderous hate & indoctrinated bigotry?

  “Principles of logic, Adverbs” - Not logic there - grammar.
  “I don’t add…pronown, NAZI. to the conversations” - No? You extensively praise nazis above, in actual fact.

  “Strange Nazi were Nationalists” - The nazis were radical ideologues, far from being mere nationalists.

  “Isreals political party is also Nationalist…Nazi all they time” - It’s a notorious online trope & indicator of Jew hatred to call Jews nazis. A dead giveaway of sleazy Jew haters.

  I have to have a Codiene prescription myself, so you have my sympathies.
  If the keyboard presents difficulties (as it would) - voice to text has significantly improved over the years.

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  Delf338
  October 14th, 2023
  

  Your augument is flawed, What is a Jew, What is a Human Being. A Human Being is genetical fact, A jew is not. A Jew is a Human Being.

  What is an arab, an Arab is a Human Being, ergo jews and arabs are human beings. They are not two different species or races. An Isreali is a Human Being. A Humas is a Human Being ergo Isreali and Humas are the same…

  Now a zealot is a person that believes that A Humas is a Nazi and A Muslim is a terrorist and that Christians, Muslims, Jews, Budist, Wickens, are not the same as them but a different sort of being.

  I spend most of my life in agony. But I admit the pain is all in my mind. Why because it is. That is where the nerve centers are. I beleave in God. I beleave in Humanity, I do NOT believe that God spoke to Mohammad, Nor Noah, Nor Jesus or Abraham.

  I do Know for a Fact that men with funny hats tell me this is FACT. because it’s written in a book. (Might be the Beano or the Dandy, not sure which). And if Mo’ said God spoke to him and Gabe whisked him off to Jerusalem, then yeah, No sorry Mo, stop smoking the Hashish.

  And God said to Noah, Build a boat because I’m going to drown everyone you know, and Noah say, Yes gov, I’ll get right on that. yeah, right,

  AND because of these pathetic stories, we have people that believe they are Jews, They are Muslim, They are Christians, It is all in their heads. They are Human Beings. FACT. The rest is just their belief, an irrational identification personification of a story told by men in funny hats…

  God, will exist without the men in funny hats, He will exsist if religion dies, and the world would be a better place without the words Allah Ackbar followed by a boom. Strange it isn’t followed by a smoking funny hat. But then the men with the funny hats don’t do the fighting.

  And then we have those magic words, RADICAL IDEOLOGIES, SLEAZY, MURDEROUS, INDOCTRINATED BIGOTRY, IDEOLOGICAL FANATIC. JEW HATERS, what a collection of words you have for anyone who does not agree with your metal assuptions of reality.

  Once again, Sorry dude but you are a human being, Same as those nice gentlemen in Gaza, the West Bank, America, Britain, Africa. and Russia. You are not a seperate species, you are not being persecuted or picked upon.

  Your identity is just a fictitious part of your imagination. You are a Human being like the other 7 1/2 billion Homosapiens.

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  caesar963
  October 14th, 2023
  

  “There are no jews in Isreal” - No, as I said that doesn’t work. Being a Jew & a human being - these are not mutually exclusive categories. And your point was actually a religious one: “There are no jews in Isreal…no Christians, Muslims, Budistis. Human…with various beliefs!” However, Judaism is a religion & an ethnicity. People of no faith can also be Jews.

  If your point is that these very real ethnic factors do not matter, then it’s reality, politics & history that prove you false. I don’t have to; indeed my position on dignified individual personhood has already been stated. We’re all in the same boat, on that level.

  “believes that A Humas is a Nazi” - There are people saying that Hamas are actually heroes for carrying out this latest round of murder, rape & torture (and for recording & uploading it all). There are countless numbers online. What can we say to those people? Being offended that the brave Hamas butchers might be called nazis is somewhat beside the point at this juncture. There’s an entirely different dynamic going on.

  “A Muslim is a terrorist” - Who is saying that Muslims are terrorists? There are over 1.8 billion Muslims in the world; 24% of the global pop. It’s a little impractical to assert that they are all terrorists.

  In my mind everyone is a dignified, rights-bearing individual (you’ll appreciate this from your legal studies?) - and each human person is of incalculable value.

  “we have people that believe they are Jews…an irrational identification personification of a story told by men in funny hats” - Again, you’re going with the religious rubric alone, rather than the ethnicity. There are multiple ethnicities in the world. People genuinely aren’t imagining this. People here in Ireland are Irish, in terms of ethnicity, they are not Inuit, for inst.

  “RADICAL IDEOLOGIES, SLEAZY, MURDEROUS, INDOCTRINATED BIGOTRY, IDEOLOGICAL FANATIC. JEW HATERS” - So, you don’t believe that terms & categories describe reality? That’s odd. You yourself did tell me that “Nazis” were decent people. That is also a category, remember, in which you invested meaning.

  “you are a human being, Same as those nice gentlemen in Gaza, the West Bank, America…you are not a seperate species, you are not being persecuted or picked upon” - Once again, you seem to have this notion in your head, of an argument I did not make. And you keep telling me I’m Jewish, for some reason. That’s a bit obsessive.

  Incidentally, I observe - even as a non-Jewish person - that there are countless numbers of people who irrationally hate Jews. This is obvious to anyone who knows history or politics - or anyone who was awake this week - and who has ever used the internet (this site is plagued by Holocaust deniers, for example). So, to imply that Jew hatred is imaginary - or they are “not being persecuted or picked upon,” is seriously dishonest.

  “Your identity is just a fictitious part of your imagination” - It seems to be a figment of your imagination, because you first invented my “Jewishness” and then repeatedly projected it!

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  Delf338
  October 14th, 2023
  

  This is one of the First posts were you seam rational. Yes there are those that hate Jews, There are those that Hate Muslims, Christians and Americans.

  Deif, is not a Nazi, He is not Aryon, jackbooted goose stepper with Swastikas. He is a member of a political party. Calling him something else is racist! Calling others that agree with his reasons Nazi’s is also Racist.

  I’m sorry, but you have constantly spouted Racist hatered throughout your posts.

  Two sides to a War. One people were being oppressed and fought back. Yes their actions were dispicable. As bad as Isreals attacks over the decades.

  BOTH sides of this conflict is wrong, BOTH sides have committed atrocities are tried to, Rememmber the arming of the Jerico’s with Nukes? What would have happened if that U2 had spotted it in time for the world to react.

  Holocost deniers, the holocost wasn’t aimed at just the Jews. Where are all the Romanies Now? Germany under a single party rule (One Isreal is adopting) carried out hienous acts. They had no oversight. A thing the Isreali Predsident wishes to replicate. No Supreme Court Overruling his actions.

  If a person wishes to deny the Holocost happened, Is it that much different than Jews believing God smited the Eygptions murdering their first born. We all believe in stupid things told to us by Hypocrites.

  The whole point of reading issues such as the ecconomist is to TRY to get an unbiased as possible insight to what is really happening.

  Covid killed millions worldwide but China claimed only 4,500 Yeah I don’t think so. I hope to find a more rational truth in the econamist.

  Do you not also wish to find out WHY Hamus attacked. Did not Deif spell it out truthfully and Succinctly. You don’t have to like the guy, approve of him or even accept he is telling the truth. But at least listen to what he has to say as to his reasons.

  Head in the Sand Ostrich approach is what the Isreali government is resorting to. They are using the peoples anger to hit back, And undoubtedly gain a lot of new land for settlements in the bargain.

  Spoils of war, Honest Gov, We didn’t want too evict the population and bomb their residences down. But anyway their Gone Now, may as well build another Jews Only settlement.

  Evil exists because good men stand by idle. Is a saying. As is the Road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

  But I am going to make one point absolutely clear. A RACIST IS A SICK MINDED PERSON. why because race is only a imagined entity, there are no races their is only humanity.

  Arrest the Rapist and Murderers, both Humas and Isreali. Arrest those that ordered the strikes, BOTH Leaders and execute them for war crimes against civilians under their care.

  Maybe when the people of Isreal and the Arab world see Both these Leaders heads on Pikes, they can see that at least justice has been done regarding the atrocities.

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  caesar963
  October 14th, 2023
  

  “First posts were you seam rational” - Faint praise, & all that. Is that because you found out I’m not actually Jewish?
  In all seriousness, is there a single statement I made - such as the reasoned condemnation of child murder & rape - that you could genuinely identify as irrational? No, of course not. Let’s be honest here.

  I defined my use of the term “nazi.” And I do not, unlike you, define nazis as “decent people” - because that would be absolutely beyond the pale & irrational. And indicative of your racist hatred towards Jews. Nazi was defined as a murdering Jew hater. In what respect is anything in that specifically apposite definition inaccurate? They would agree that they hate Jews, & demonstrably want them dead.

  “Deif, is not a Nazi” - He planned the murder & rape of multiple innocent Jewish civilians. He has a commanding role in a terrorist organisation whose purpose is the mass murder of innocent Jewish civilians. You need to develop a moral compass, no reasonable person would defend such an appalling character. Is this because you think the nazis were “decent people?” Because it’s truly irrational & offensive to victims & their families - & everyone else.
  “He is a member of a political party” - Did you genuinely not know that Hamas is internationally designated as a terrorist organisation?

  And the idea that calling such butchers nazis (defined again as murdering Jew hater) is racist is false. Nazi is a political designation, not ethnic (nor is Islam an ethnicity). People of all races can be described in such a manner. (Recall that there were Islamic units of the SS in the Balkans during WWII, for inst.)
  “Calling others that agree with his reasons Nazi’s is also Racist” - “Reasons?” Reasons to decapitate infants, rape, torture & murder? And film it all in a triumphalist manner? Where are the “reasons” in any of that?

  “you have constantly spouted Racist hatered throughout your posts” - Give me one single example. That’s another lie. Disapproving of child murder & rape is “racist” now? Remember your unequalled racism in admiringly describing the nazis as “decent people.” That’s one of the most racist things I’ve yet seen on the site.
  Your attempting to “BOTH sides” what happened a few days ago is purely racist. It’s another Trumpian move.
  “A RACIST IS A SICK MINDED PERSON” - Finally, the truth, if only unintentional.

  “holocost wasn’t aimed at just the Jews” - And who said it was? I cited Holocaust deniers specifically, why are you trying to derail that? This is another trope used by Jew haters online. Remarkable.

  “Germany under a single party rule (One Isreal is adopting)” - Where is the evidence for this silly assertion? Actual constitutional law, less of the shyte. You’re again comparing Jewish people to nazis. Again.

  “If a person wishes to deny the Holocost happened” - Please don’t try to downplay genocide & Holocaust denial. Very deceitful actors devote a great deal of time & effort to that pursuit.

  “The whole point of reading ecconomist is to TRY to get unbiased as poss insight to what is really happening” - Yet you went straight to the notorious Hamas planner of atrocities in order to copy/paste his “reasons.” What’s that? Objective reporting & critical thinking? If you wanted to discover the “reasons” for the Holocaust, would your first impulse be to seek out Reichsführer Himmler to hear his “reasons?” Or if you were puzzled as to the “reasons” for the Holodomor, would you go to Stalin in order to give him a fair hearing?

  “Do you not also wish to find out WHY Hamus attacked” - Do you not remember their infamous 1988 Constitution, & multiple declarations & assertions since then? It’s scarcely a secret, their raison d’etre: to destroy Israel & kill all Jews who oppose them. This can’t be new to you? Why do imagine that Hamas is internationally designated as a terrorist entity?

  “Did not Deif spell it out truthfully” - You sound as though you admire & support this racist murderer. That is also racist.

  “Deif…truthfully” - Do try to tell it to the all the victims’ families & friends.

  “They are using the peoples anger” - Are you again blaming the victims of this attack?
  “Jews Only settlement” - That’s all you understand from these atrocities? That the “Jews” are only ever out for gain?

  “Arrest the Rapist & Murderers…Arrest those that ordered the strikes” - Here’s another factor of the conflict with which you will be unfamiliar, Hamas terrorists purposefully embed themselves within the civilian population - the population whom they also hold captive & terrorise - so what is your suggestion with regard to arresting them? How would you go about it, if you had the ability?

  Hamas terrorists always use human shields - their own people; they base their operations in hospitals (their HQ was notoriously under a hospital); they place their rocket launchers beside occupied apartment buildings. This is all to ensure propaganda victories - when it is Hamas terrorists who put innocent people in harm’s way in the first inst. Hamas want dead Jewish people & dead Palestinian people. These are their objectives. This is an entirely different approach to humanitarianism.

  In the last week, Hamas butchered people, unarmed civilians - men, women, children - and recorded themselves as they did it. They celebrated their murders, rapes & infant decapitation - then uploaded the evidence. These are not military operations. This is pure terror & slaughter.

  Are you finally beginning to see?

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  Delf338
  October 14th, 2023
  

  Mohammed Deif, said the assault was in response to the 16-year blockade of Gaza, Israeli raids inside West Bank cities over the past year,

  FACT this action has been condemned by the UN

  violence at Al Aqsa — the disputed Jerusalem holy site sacred to Jews as the Temple Mount —

  Fact Again this attack at the Mosque was condemned by the UN

  increasing attacks by settlers on Palestinians and the growth of settlements.

  Fact This action has been confirmed by the UN and even by the Isreali lawyer appointed by Isreal to breach the Genevere convention.

  Who again is the NAZI’s. ??? Is not GAZA just a Getto

  As stated by privateero “the biggest open air prison and concentration camp. Period.”

  Do I agree with rape and Murder, NO. Nor did I agree with shooting Surrendered Argentinian prisinors. It happened. I was there. But I am not guilty. Nor are the people of Gaza for the atrocities of Hamas.

  But Isreal Bombing civilian Residential housing inside the Gaza Strip

  IS A WAR CRIME !! That action was carried out by a government against an imprisoned people.

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  caesar963
  October 14th, 2023
  

  I appreciate that all you want is that the racist murderers, torturers, rapists & child killers from the last few days - this war crime - ought to be brought to justice. But how is it again you propose that that should be accomplished?
  You say to “Arrest the Rapist & Murderers…Arrest those that ordered the strikes” - But Hamas terrorists embed themselves within civilian population - the Palestinian population whom they also hold captive & terrorise - so what ideas do you have to apprehend them? How would you go about it?

  Hamas terrorists always use human shields - their own people; they base their operations in hospitals (HQ was notoriously under a hospital); they place their rocket launchers beside occupied apartment buildings. This is all to ensure propaganda victories - when it is Hamas terrorists who put innocent people in harm’s way in the first inst. Hamas want dead Jewish people & dead Palestinian people. These are their objectives. This is who they are.

  In the last week, Hamas butchered people, unarmed civilians - men, women, children - and recorded themselves as they did it livestreamed it. They celebrated their murders, rapes & infant decapitation; & burning of people alive - entire families - then uploaded the evidence. These are not military operations. This is pure terror & slaughter.

  Hamas are certainly not trying to conceal the barbarity of what they did - as the nazis attempted to do. Hamas, by recording, livestreaming, celebrating & broadcasting the savage murders want absolutely everyone to know what they did, who they are, and what they’re capable of. Only the stupidest of fools will try to ignore or make excuses for all of that.
  How can you catch them? They’re elusive, you see.

  “Nor did I agree with shooting Surrendered Argentinian prisinors. It happened. I was there. But I am not guilty” - What was it you said? “Evil exists because good men stand by idle.” And you lectured me (unwisely, as it turned out) on the Troubles. The same atrocities were carried out in the Six Counties, although you were entirely ignorant of this. And we have the atrocities carried out against the Jews, for which there are “reasons.” We must immediately seek out the “reasons” - from the very best source. And there always seem to be “reasons” & “excuses.” However, you said that “We are all Human Beings” & “we are are all the same.”
  But not when we are Argentinian, it would seem. Or Irish. Or Jewish.
  For those categories, we always have “reasons.”

  Then, “Who again is the NAZI’s?”

  The extermination of the Jewish people is part of Hamas’ charter.

  Hamas posted the video of their brutal murder of a woman (a grandmother) onto her own facebook page - just so her family would see it. This is utterly inhuman, any reasonable person would acknowledge that these practices are beyond depravity.
  Hamas did this to all those innocent human beings. And Hamas is the government in Gaza. This can indeed be termed a war crime.

  “Who again is the NAZI’s?” Who indeed.

  The Jews gave over Gaza in 2005 - they pulled thousands of Jewish settlers out in what is known as the “Disengagement” - and said go ahead and govern yourselves. And this has been the result. The catastrophic Hamas regime; constant rocket attacks from Gaza; Jewish people having to live underground - for weeks at a time - due to repeated aerial bombardment, including into major cities such as Tel Aviv. There exists no will in Israel to reoccupy Gaza.

  The areas attacked in the last week were not settlements, by the way - they were sovereign Jewish territory since independence.

  All the money given to Hamas - which they are supposed to administer to build up infrastructure for Palestinian people - they instead misappropriate in order to buy weapons to commit acts of terror.
  Hamas waste hundreds of Palestinian children’s lives in the operation of weapons’ tunnels.

  Hamas is explicitly a genocidal organisation. How many times do people have to tell us who they are before we believe them? It’s in their own founding documents.

  This was one of the worst terrorist attacks in modern history; the worst loss of life since the Holocaust for Jewish human beings; in terms of proportion of population, it’s over ten times worse than 9/11.

  I don’t think I ever realised how much ugly, sleazy hate for Jewish people - men, women, children - actual infants - there was online until this barbaric terrorist attack. I was fooled. This racist hatred is far worse than I ever imagined. Characters are rushing to defend these killers.

  Palestinians deserve self-determination - but no one deserves evil terrorists like Hamas.

  Identifying Hamas murderers absolutely with the Palestinian cause does a disservice to decent Palestinian people - who are also being tyrannised, exploited & abused by Hamas terrorists.

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  ragulyas
  October 15th, 2023
  

  

  thx for sharing

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  Delf338
  October 15th, 2023
  

  You can quote, one sided, properganda as often as you wish.

  You say you watched women being raped and Children being beheaded.

  What sort of sicko are you, To watch Rape Videos and Snuff Movies. I bet your one of those pedo’s that say you only watch Child Porn, to see what happened to the poor victims.

  Wow look at that! I managed to do a Ceaser, I turned what you said on a dime and made it sound so much different than what was intended.

  Thus is the art of propoganda.

  The UN has repeatedly condemned the atrocities enacted by Isreal against Gaza and the West Bank.

  I asked you to show where I said I approve of Hamas or agree with rape and murder

  I asked you to refute any of Deif’s claim’e

  BUT NO

  Instead you do a fantastic cut and paste job glorifying your points. AND ABSOLUTELY FAIL, to prove a single point raised by Deif was a lie AND failed to prove where you claim I said I approve or support Hamas or that I approve of rape and murder.

  SO TRY AGAIN.. THIS TIME NO CUT AND PASTE.

  Where did Deif lie. Where did I say I approve.

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  Delf338
  October 15th, 2023
  

  My not answering your drivel regarding the Troubles in Northern Ireland, was it was totally incherent. Not Religious. Catholics and Prodastants killing one another over their beliefs isn’t religious? As soon as they agreed to stop killing one another the troops pulled out. We didn’t air attack the council estates. Cut of their water and Food.

  Did the UK handle this well, Absolutely not. But to liken the troubles to what is occurring in Isreal is a joke.

  Bigger than 9/11. Let look at that.

  The attack left 1,300 dead. (nope no where near the death toll neer mind 10x)

  Now I realise that since the attack and the retaliations that number has grown.

  So lets make that fair.

  How many troops and civilians have died in the middle east in repriesals.

  Yeah. somehow your claim of 10 times worse seems a little far fetched….

  There are statistic and then there are statistic.

  Ask an accountant, Our degrees shouldn’t be BSc but BA’s as sometimes our figures are works of art.

  You will not convince me a Jews only Isreal is the Solution, A Jews only Isreal is the Cause….

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  caesar963
  October 15th, 2023
  

  “one sided, properganda as often as you wish” - Everything I outlined has been repeatedly affirmed by external observers. How are the facts on the ground “propaganda?” Do you not believe the attack happened? Is it all “propaganda?” What Hamas say of themselves in their Constitution is “propaganda?” That they want the “extermination” of the Jewish people? The multiple murders, torture, rapes & decapitation of infants - which Hamas carried out & livestreamed - is now anti-Hamas propaganda? War crimes of which they themselves are actually fiercely proud. Finally try to think about that for a second. They filmed these acts. They uploaded so that the victims’ families would see these horrors. “Propaganda?” You ought to be ashamed.

  “You say you watched women being raped & Children being beheaded” - I could not watch these events - have you escaped the news descriptions of the last week? The reportage is inescapable, but it’s our moral duty to hear it.
  It would be like watching the horrific beheadings which ISIS & others always used to broadcast. Who can contemplate these things? Who could do such things?

  “What sort of sicko are you” - Sincerely now, why do you support Hamas & these horrific crimes & rapes & child killings? Isn’t that the sickest thing that you can do at this point?

  “I turned what you said on a dime & made it sound so much different than what was intended” - You did. And now you must give me a clear, specific example of where I did anything similar. One example, rather than another vacuous accusation, merely for the sake of accusation, because that is what people do when they are devoid of argument. A Trumpian tactic.
  You also asserted I was constantly being racist. And then I asked for an actual example, and you couldn’t give a single one then either - although you yourself directly praised “millions of nazis” as “decent people.” (?!!!) Mind boggling.
  What you did in that empty accusation is referred to as a lie - & a transparent lie, at that.

  On the propaganda issue, everything I say - its factual basis - can be reasonably checked. Or do you wish to just assert that it’s “propaganda” - while expediently not bothering to ascertain? That’s clever, I suppose, in the short term.

  And are you entirely unaware that Hamas & their allies constantly deploy propaganda? (Iran is a major backer at the moment.) Such propaganda is filling social media right now, the modern public square, influencing those - especially young people - who have no frame of reference or standard of comparison for these events whatsoever. The social media companies are enormously negligent here, due to their light touch, inexpensive model of conducting business.

  And directly to that Hamas propaganda, your immediate source was the Hamas leader who planned these mindless murders & rapes. You immediately sought out & chose to quote with approval the Hamas terrorist leader who planned multiple murders & rapes - in your very first post, your first move. Why quote him if you did not essentially agree with him? You could have quoted anyone else.

  And then you falsely claim that I quote from “one sided, properganda.”
  The very first thing we do is that we responsibly consider our source. We don’t just go to Stalin to “justify” the Holodomor, or Himmler to give the “balanced perspective” on the Holocaust. Because they have “reasons.”

  There’s a racist user of the site on this page (always where the hated Jeeewz! are mentioned), who supported your earlier comment, & this character has repeatedly expressed his desire for yet another genocide of the Jewish people, during which he will “feel no pity” as they are slaughtered. That’s the kind of evil I’m talking about; the kind of evil you dismiss as mere “propaganda.” He’s over on another book’s comment section right now saying he wants an “ethnic cleansing” of these human beings, because of who they are. All of this is not hidden, as I observed before, it’s all in plain view for you, if you will see it.
  And another poster said there (whom you quoted with approval - on another factor) - actually deployed the demented con theory that the hated Jeeewz! are behind the terror attack: “a false flag by israel!” There you are - the mystery solved. It was the Jeeewz! that done it, yet again. Curtains close.

  “I asked u show where I said I approve Hamas or agree w rape & murder” - Yet again, you immediately had recourse to a source - a Hamas terrorist leader - who planned these murders & rapes. Your trusted source. I don’t know of anyone who would do such a thing.

  “I asked you to refute any of Deif’s claim’e” - He is behind savage mass murder, rape & child decapitation - he plans & drives these actions. Do you think he is justified in any of this - the worst terrorist attack in modern history? Because you repeatedly cite & support him. His charter is the “extermination” of an entire people, a genocide; so do you think he is a legitimate participant in civilised discourse? And why do you think that? Why do you ignore their stated aim of “extermination” of the Jewish people? Does it not matter? They are human beings as well, you know.

  You’ve been cut/pasting his words as if he is not a planner of murder & rape. Why?

  As we know, Hamas terrorise, exploit, murder & abuse their own population. Their people - human beings - are viewed as mere propaganda tools in their terrorist war, often used as human shields - even human bombs.
  No elections since 2005 - & they murdered their political opponents in Gaza by throwing them off the tops of buildings - or beating them to death (thus saving bullets). And this is who you repeatedly quote.

  “job glorifying your points” - You think that when I condemn rape & child murder that my aim is to “glorify?” What are you on about?

  “FAIL, to prove a single point raised by Deif was a lie” - I never said that was my purpose. My purpose is to explain to you that nothing can justify these horrific attacks. That these were innocent human beings. That he is a member of a terrorist group that wants an actual extermination - it’s in their own charter. That was my purpose. Yet you persist. You try to dismiss these factual, reasonable points as only “propaganda.” Why would you do that unless you were promoting a side? Promoting the terrorist who planned these horrors?

  “prove where you claim I said I approve or support Hamas or that I approve of rape and murder” - You continue to promote Hamas “reasons” for murder & rape. You prove that yourself, I merely observe.

  “Caths & Prods killing one anoth over their beliefs isn’t relig? As soon as agreed to stop killing one anoth troops pulled out” - You don’t know the history. You’re repeating ignorant nonsense again. (As a brief overview example, the IRA & INLA were Stalinist in their politics - which was explicitly atheist - even anti-theist.) I explained to you (several times now?) that wars are fought for purposes of Power, Territory, Resources & Fear. All of these apply in the current conflict. Planters from Britain displaced & dispossessed the native Irish population. They took Irish people’s land (that’s Territory, Power & Resources, for inst). And they dominated & repressed the Irish population under their control, instituting Penal Laws to oppress them, stacking juries against them & transporting them for minor or invented offences (that is power & fear, you see). The native Irish population was continuously demonised by the British (again, Fear), which is standard imperial operating procedure: treat the natives as “Other” as “justification” for taking everything they have. The British did this all over the world (including extensive use of concentration camps - twice in Africa - before AND after the nazis).
  The Great Famine was also managed & weaponised against the native Irish population, as a means of clearing the land, & “rationalising” estates (here again: Territory, Resources, Power). Exports of food continued from ports, under armed British guard.

  This can’t all be new to you? Did you learn no history at all - about what is effectively your own country?
  Moreover, during the 20th century, Britain operated an Apartheid regime in the Six Counties. Irish people’s constituencies were “gerrymandered” in order to return British MPs who were actually militantly racist towards Irish people. This deprived Irish people of Civil, Political, Constitutional, Legal & Fundamental Human rights (didn’t you say you were a legal person, like myself? Inconveniently, I also have a History degree). Irish people in the Six Counties were also deprived of housing, employment, education, etc. etc. - in favour of British people. Here again we have the dominant ethnic/racial dimensions driving division & dispossession, as we have seen countless times throughout human history.

  Just as an aside, do you imagine that British people were treated in the same way during that period, here in Ireland? Here’s a clue, the largest ethnic minority in Ireland is British - has always been British - & very welcome they are too. They avail of a Free Travel Area to Ireland, & have increased in number since Brexit, as many companies from Britain have also relocated here, in order to benefit from being in an EU country.

  I couldn’t imagine ever treating my British neighbours (English, in fact) in anything close to the manner in which Irish people in the Six Counties were routinely treated by the British people there. They created a disgusting political slum - of controlling racial hatred, as all know. But seemingly you do not know any of this? They still have their racist marches - which occasionally celebrate the killing of Irish children.

  “We didn’t air attack the council estates. Cut of their water and Food” - No, the British state merely operated as one of the main (well-Resourced) terrorist actors in that conflict; supporting, directing & supplying the various British terrorist factions in the Six Counties. The British state murdered peaceful civil rights campaigners in a planned attack; colluded with British loyalist terrorists (targeting Irish legal representatives) & also engaged in bombings, torture & murders/assassinations/”shoot to kill” operations. Notoriously, they operated this apartheid state for decades.

  When I told you that the president here was Michael D. Higgins, and not actually Jewish, you responded that he’s obviously as irrational as I am. So these things die hard.

  “Did the UK handle this well, Absolutely not” - Oh, steady on! Such harsh criticism, please tone it down!

  “But to liken the troubles to what is occurring in Isreal is a joke” - Be assured, nobody is laughing about what was perpetrated in Ireland - for eight centuries. Yet you imagine that it was minor, to be disregarded - which does qualify as something of an unfunny joke.

  In fairness, recently several previous British Prime Ministers, & even the Queen of England, prior to her passing, acknowledged the terrible history of wrongs & all the horrors that were committed by the British in Ireland, which does actually does go some way to setting the totality of relationships on a reasonable footing.
  The history curriculum over there is infamously appalling & inadequate, however, & not just in relation to crimes against the Irish people.

  “Bigger than 9/11. Let look at that. The attack left 1,300 dead. (nope no where near the death toll neer mind 10x)” - Oh dear, & you said that you had studied Accounting? Either that was another “fact” or you’re not concentrating. Some accountants probably don’t have a head for figures? The key, operative term you missed was “proportionate.” As I actually said: “This was one of the worst terrorist attacks in modern history; the worst loss of life since the Holocaust for Jewish human beings (tellingly, you ignored that aspect of the butchery); in terms of ‘proportion’ of population, it’s over ten times worse than 9/11.” As a legal man would really appreciate, all words are critical.
  From the FT: “Relative to Israel’s size, the scale of the killing was 10 times greater than the US endured on 9/11″ (https://www.ft.com/content/74e6ba45-a4c1-4a5b-9b91-d9a314c9b7b0). And broadcast on others sources also.

  “There r statistic & then there r statistic” - Yes, there are mathematical proportions, old chap. Do think before you type.

  You do a lot of bogus accusing, have you noticed?

  “You will not convince me Jews only Isreal is Solution, Jews only Isreal is the Cause” - Again, where did I say anything in relation to your assertion here? You keep “turning what I say (or didn’t even say) on a dime & make it sound so much different than what was intended.”
  Jewish people actually make up 73.5% of the population of Israel (something else for you to factor in). The Arab community accounts for 21% (2.048 m).
  And the Jewish population is not the monolith that you might imagine. They have a range of views, across the political spectrum - including in relation to Palestine.
  Moreover, many of the Jews/Israelis who were butchered this week - including those at the electronic dance music festival - would likely have been from the pro-Palestinian sections of the population.

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  Delf338
  October 16th, 2023
  

  Ah, I see, a very, very long lecture that does not answer the questions.

  Lets make it easy….

  In 20 words or less.

  Have I SAID I approve of Hamas?

  Have i SAID I approve of Rape and Murder.

  HAS Isreal led raids into Gaza and The West bank Bank.

  Has Isreal been condemned for atrocity at the Masque.

  Has Isreal been told that their Settlement are in Breach of the Genevere Convention.

  There ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS ONLY. If I wished a historical account, I would search out a peer reviewed article not your one sided drivel.

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  Delf338
  October 16th, 2023
  

  LOL, You equate the WHOLE of the USA Not the State of New York, or even the city. to make your 10 times worse than 9/11 work.

  What a complete TWAT, Well then the 2 million dead Jews in WW2 was only a minute fraction of atrocities in Isreal, when taken against the world population. So by your logic, these attacks must be 10,000 x worse than the Holocost.

  As I said satistics and satistic.

  The attacks were horendous, The actions of SOME of the attacker unreprehensable. The REASONS for the attacks were UNDERSTANDABLE if not expected.

  These are the facts. Your one-sided, they had no reasons, they are all nai’s is YOUR racist opinion and tottallly unsupported.

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  Delf338
  October 16th, 2023
  

  Last comment, You say you don’t like that I call you a racist. How many people have you accused of being Nazi’s you have even accused 3 members of this site of being Nazi’s for simply responding.

  Within - he is a Naz’s also, he is always hiding waiting..

  Deif - He is a Nazi

  Hamas - they are all Nazi.

  NO, Really, you don’t sound at all racisist, How silly of me…

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  privateero
  October 17th, 2023
  

  @caesar963 What a very intelligent reply. What is so crazy about what i said, when it is common knowledge amongst many thousands of people and the best historians across the world? It seems the only straight jackets needed are for you two so called ‘educated’ goofballs, that seem to have time to write an encyclopedia of childish arguments in these comments, and think that book knowledge equates to actual knowledge.

  If one is not aware of Jewish extremism, it is proof positive you have no clue about what you are talking about, when the evidence is so abundant throughout history, whistleblowers and their religious books like the Talmud. Synagogue of Satan by Andrew Carrington Hitchcock details at least 20 hours of it, with many more Jewish writers and whistleblowers exposing this too.

  First of all Caesar, you weren’t on the ground, so you can carry on all you want about the atrocities of Hamas, which could very likely be part or complete propaganda, especially with the radically genocidal history of the IDF and Mossad in murdering children and refugees. You think these highly intelligent chess players would not sacrifice a few pawns? If not, you clearly have no understanding of military strategy and geopolitics.

  We are on the tail end of the greatest betrayal against freedom and medical integrity of the human body in world history via the COVID scamdemic, (undoubtedly the most lethal medical procedure ever, period according to gov stats) with the fingerprints of extremist Jews and Zionists all over it, and you think they wouldn’t pull this off? That is a mentally retarded level of understanding of the world you are both displaying, and a poor reflection of clearly inferior intellects. You may have studied at great universities and have a great ability to absorb information, but seem to have missed the part on common sense and a basic understanding of the world, namely the greatest threat to life and liberty, the state, which happened to oversee your lacking educations.

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  Delf338
  October 18th, 2023
  

  @ privateero, Actually, You are wrong. I very much understand the dangers inherent in “the State”. Since exposure in the 1980’s, seeing first hand how misguided and directed we have all become.

  My only complaint is being accused of Aproving of rape and murder and approving of Hamas. I do not.

  I haven’t taken the vaccine against Covid, nor do I want to. It may come back to bite me. But that is my choice. I’m bed bound as it is, so don’t feel I have too much to lose either way.

  I can’t argue that this hasn’t been a good demonstration, on circluar childish arguments. It has.

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist
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  golden92N
  January 3rd, 2024
  

  ceasar963 the famous zionist hasbara propagandist of audiobookbay

  2023-10-14 The Economist - The Economist

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