White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism - Robin DiAngelo, Michael Eric Dyson (Foreword)
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Groundbreaking book exploring the counterproductive reactions white people have when discussing racism that serve to protect their positions and maintain racial inequality
Antiracist educator Robin DiAngelo first coined the term “white fragility” in 2011, and since then it’s been invoked by critics from Samantha Bee to Charles Blow. “White fragility” refers to the defensive moves that white people make when challenged racially. These include emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and behaviors including argumentation and silence. In this book, DiAngelo unpacks white fragility, explaining the underlying sociological phenomena. She’ll draw on examples from her work and scholarship, as well as from the culture at large, to address these fundamental questions: How does white fragility develop? What does it look like? How is it triggered? What can we do to move beyond white fragility and engage more constructively?
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This post has 50 comments with rating of 4/5
August 21st, 2018
Becasue theres no point in trying to discuss it with someone who uses the topic as a weapon and has no intention on being honest about it. And those are the kind of people who always want to bring it up.
If we were to have an honest conversation about racism it would be a short one. Nobody likes everybody. Just work hard and provide for yourself, try not to irritate people around you and stop worrying about who likes you or not.
And stop trying to drag people into your self indulgent conversations about racism.
August 21st, 2018
It’s easy to be detached about something you don’t experience directly. If people were half as interested in understanding each other as they are in condemning and dismissing each other, maybe we could be great, but that would be great by my definition, and a sad truth I’m coming to accept is that definition is not shared by many.
August 21st, 2018
Thanks for posting this. It’s always interesting to see the vitriol and mental gymnastics these people have to do to justify their hatred, and there’s no way I’m going to pay for this tripe.
If I had to take a stab at the question, it’s likely because anything other than complete mea culpa submission is branded as evil and immoral and you can’t have a discussion if you call the other person evil for questioning you. But I’m sure it’s systemized oppression or something.
August 21st, 2018
Stop playing victim that everybody doesn’t have the time or interest to play with you and entertain your self indulgences.
What racism?
Like writing a book about “white people” as if all white people are the same for you to put a label on and point your finger at?
Thats easy for you to say that its all around you experiencing it directly so why cant we have a conversation about this thing that only you can see.
What kind of conversation would this be?
You describing this scenario that only your privy to and if I disagree then I’m being defensive, detached, aggressive and not interested in understanding.
No thanks dude. Dont flatter yourself that I need to sit down for a lecture from you.
I have yet to see any real evidence of this racism that some people are always claiming exists around them. More then its self imagined until it comes true. Until you become so obnoxious and insufferable that peopel dont want to be around you. And where I do see it exists, like the liberal race-baiting industry, they’re always pointing their fingers in the wrong misdirections at everybody else.
Get a job.
Thats a privilege for you to have the free time to dwell on that when you should be too busy working for a living to be bothered about it.
A real job.
Not writing books accusing other people of racism for a profit in the liberal race-baiting and playing victim industry.
August 21st, 2018
thobrom- perfect example of white fragility- thank you for sharing
August 21st, 2018
Some of the commments here show exactly why the book is relevant - overly defensive white people who lack the self awareness to understand what they are doing
August 21st, 2018
Will she be doing a follow up book called “Black Fragility, Why it’s so hard for black people to take responsibility for their own actions”?
August 21st, 2018
Hate everyone equally…
August 21st, 2018
White fragility/black fragility, we still haven’t moved beyond the name-calling phase. Febrile, feeble, frail, flimsy and frangible. Sad!
August 21st, 2018
“Will she be doing a follow up book called “Black Fragility, Why it’s so hard for black people to take responsibility for their own actions”?”
QFT
August 21st, 2018
I’d buy the “Black Fragility” one.
August 21st, 2018
The whole subject is so useless and tired. It only exists to divide us. The Black culture has experienced true hatred at the hands of racist. This has caused them to become just as racist as the people that have oppressed them in the past…and yes unfortunately there are those that still hold to the stupid and unforgivable racist beliefs. The problem is, no one wants to recognize that the racism still exists on both sides. This book is just more race baiting to keep the us divided. Until we both accept the blame for racism and put it behind us nothing will change.
August 21st, 2018
“Antiracist educator Robin DiAngelo first coined the term “white fragility” in 2011″, is a clearly RACIST depiction in reverse. A more genuine and honest approach to this whole issue would have been the question of inter-racism among all races, not just “Whites” Mr. fraudulent DiANGELO.
August 21st, 2018
Gerald,absolutely spot on, I couldn’t agree more.
August 21st, 2018
Seems even the description has “Triggered,” what in other circumstances are oft called “Snowflakes,” or “Cucks.”
Grow up my little flowers as the world is changing and its high time you ventured out of your complacent comfort zone.
August 21st, 2018
WOW some of you people really are the definition of “white fragility”! I mean seriously “The whole subject is so useless and tired”? “I have yet to see any real evidence of this racism”? “Until we both accept the blame for racism and put it behind us nothing will change.” But I think what you people really mean to say is why can’t everybody just shut up about it and stop complaining. Shut your mouth and accept the status quo. Or as Gerald.smith wants, we can “put it behind us” by accepting it so that he and others like him can go on pretending it doesn’t exist.
August 21st, 2018
“thobrom- perfect example of white fragility- thank you for sharing”
Could not agree more.
August 21st, 2018
I knew the comments wouldn’t disappoint. Lots of fragile whites crying about being called racist as if that’s the same as actually dealing with systemic racism. But kudos to rob.stevens21 for acting like whites are the real victims being tarnished with the word racist and then accusing blacks of “chimp[ing] out.” Just wow. Why don’t you slink back into the swamp you crawled up out of.
August 22nd, 2018
I’d be happy to tell you why “white” people don’t like to talk about racism.
It’s because of the idea that only White people are racist. It’s because you won’t see. Your minds are controlled by the media and the Euro-global mind set.
Wake up
August 22nd, 2018
another dirge to distract us from the fact that we are rapidly being inducted into a slavery of mind.
wake up and see what’s haoppening around you right now!
infowars.com
August 22nd, 2018
Comments are hysterically funny in the way only histrionic conspiracy theorists can be.
Thanks for the laughs mklangelo, chrisxiii and others who have summarized the entire of human experience as I am right and you are wrong.
August 22nd, 2018
So many commentards are hysterically funny in the way only histrionic conspiracy theorists can be.
Thanks for the laughs mklangelo, chrisxiii and others who have summarized the entire of human experience as I am right and you are wrong.
August 22nd, 2018
I’ll tell you in a nutshell why it’s so hard for Whitey to talk about racism. It’s because the pop culture, PC language rules will not admit to Black Racism. It’s a lopsided game before the discussion even starts. The game is rigged.
August 23rd, 2018
mklangelo, do tell how you’ve been oppressed by all of these racist black people with the power to keep you down. You seem to have quite the “poor me, I’m the real victim here,” mindset. Will a blankie and a lollipop make you feel better?
August 24th, 2018
Gilagoo, so it’s ok to be a racist if you don’t have the power to oppress? I didn’t see his comment framing himself as a victim. Yours on the other hand does scream I’m the real victim in a very passive aggressive way. So when have you been oppressed? Never? Refer back to my first sentence.
August 24th, 2018
@rosstafarian256 Yes, you understand then. It doesn’t matter what you think, if it does not result in oppression. It isn’t about Thoughtcrime.
August 24th, 2018
@rosstafarian256 I wasn’t the one crying about a rigged game and, “PC language rules.” And yes, racism is about the power to oppress. If there are black people who don’t like whites, why might that be? Hundreds of years of enslavement, mistreatment, discrimination and oppression have an amazing ability to taint the view of those suffering towards those causing their suffering.
Not at all sure where you get the claim of passive aggression. I felt like my disdain for @mklangelo’s comments was pretty clear.
August 24th, 2018
We shouldn’t seek to justify racism, in any manifestation. All such efforts always fail the logic test.
If we stopped calling each other names, then we’d be flyin’.
August 25th, 2018
@Gilagoo the “blankie and a lollipop” comment is what came off as passive aggressive. The hundreds of years of enslavement line is nonsense. Sadly history is full of examples of people enslaving other races and their own. Where do you think the europeans got the slaves they brought back to america? Bought with yellow gold from african slave owners. Africa(and other places) still have a huge slavery problem to this day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Slavery_Index.
What happened to your ancestors is a very poor excuse. The Jews are a great example, they’ve been getting the short end of the stick longer than anyone and more recently than anyone. Holocaust survivors are still alive today. Anti-semitism is prevalent, I see some kid upload insane anti-semitic conspiracy content to demonoid daily and no one seems to give a crap. I bet I’ll get flamed with some zionism and holocaust denial silliness for making this comment. Most jews don’t go around blaming everyone for their problems, they try to do better and help each other(like with any group of people exceptions exist, I’m talking majority and culture). Like caesar963 mentioned above, we shouldn’t justify racism. Your comment about why black people are racist works both ways. It’s just as easy to flip around what you said by switching the words black and white.
August 25th, 2018
@rosstafarian256 Passive aggression is avoiding directly confronting someone. I called out mklangelo, so I wasn’t hiding my contempt.
Spare me the Africans sold Africans…that has zero to do with how blacks were treated once in America. If the hundreds of years comment was referring to mistreatment that had stopped at some point, maybe it would be nonsense, but you’re delusional if you think the end of slavery was the end of racism… There are many people still living today who grew up in a time where they were not allowed to eat in the same places as whites or sit in the same area of a bus. If they looked too long at a white person, they could be killed and the killer(s) would likely get away with it. This isn’t ancient history. You are delusional if you think America isn’t built on and still running on systemic racism. Non-whites are subject to more suspicion, hostility, worse education, worse health care, worse jobs. This isn’t ancient history. Perhaps you just don’t see it in your day-to-day life. Congratulations. That doesn’t discount the experiences of others.
And yes, the Jews have had it bad throughout history and their treatment is inexcusable. So is the way Israel currently treats Palestinians and Africans.
I never denied non-whites might be racist towards other non-whites from different races. I never denied that there are non-whites who don’t like white people. The difference is power. For centuries whites in America have mistreated non-whites. Now the demographics are changing and the fragile whites who want to pretend racism doesn’t exist because they don’t have to deal with it are starting to get uncomfortable because they’re afraid of being treated the way they insist people of color are not treated in this country.
August 25th, 2018
“The Jews have had it bad throughout history” - this has to fall under the rubric of criminally stupid understatement. Perhaps it’s unwise to clumsily attempt to draw a moral equivalence between the inexcusable actions of the Israeli government and the over 6 million Jews (11-12 million human beings in total) who were tortured, starved, raped, experimented upon and murdered in the Nazi death camps. Merely to select one historical event.
August 25th, 2018
Who said anything about those things being morally equivalent? Maybe you shouldn’t clumsily jump to conclusions.
August 25th, 2018
Following rosstafarian’s reference to the Holocaust, you responded with: “And yes, the Jews have had it bad throughout history and their treatment is inexcusable. So is the way Israel currently treats Palestinians and Africans” thereby drawing a direct moral equivalence. I was giving you an out by referring to it as clumsy. Perhaps it’s more sinister than that. Pay attention to the manner in which you use language.
August 25th, 2018
Aw-shucks, thanks for quoting me back to myself. I was acknowledging rosstafarian’s point about Jewish people being mistreated throughout history while also stating that treatment doesn’t excuse the current Israeli behavior towards those they have power over. I can say two wrongs don’t make a right without passing judgement on which wrong was worse. You seemed to get your knickers in a twist because I didn’t write an entire essay on the mistreatment of Jews through history (when I wasn’t even the one who initially threw them into the mix) and decided to take offense by reading more into my statement.
August 26th, 2018
The policies of the modern Israeli state and the uniquely evil atrocities inflicted upon the Jews are not even remotely comparable. To disturbingly state that they are (”So is the way Israel…”) demonstrates abhorrent historical, political and moral ignorance. It’s not even lazy thinking, because it doesn’t actually satisfy the preconditions of thought to begin with.
If one isn’t capable of comprehending these matters, and expressing such understanding concisely, then it’d be better just to steer clear of these exchanges entirely.
August 26th, 2018
You are just being willfully ignorant at this point. You chose to mischaracterize a statement that I made in order to have an argument. The internet is a large place so I’m sure you can find someone who actually feels the way you incorrectly infer that I do. You might even wow them with your pseudo-intellectual phraseology.
August 26th, 2018
And there are many places on the internet for anti-Semites to find a home (if not a happy one). Or you could merely stop awkwardly trying to cover your embarrassment and acknowledge the mess you stepped in, clean your jackboots and apologise.
To simplify and synopsise: the actions of Israel cannot be equated, analogised, likened to or placed in the same paragraph as The Holocaust. Such fevered broadsides may have been the stock in trade of Der Stürmer, but you should have evolved beyond that garbage by now.
August 27th, 2018
It’s truly amazing that someone with your vocabulary seems so magnificently ignorant. You can use words correctly, yet seem to not comprehend them when someone else writes them.
My initial discussion was about the relationship between blacks and whites in the US. You chose to be offended because I acknowledged someone else’s point that Jews have been treated terribly, but didn’t spell it out as it was not the discussion that I was actually having. At least that was the gist of your initial comment. How dare someone say Jewish people have been mistreated without stopping to list each and every way!
From there you decided to insinuate (and apparently finally come out and say it in your latest comment) that I am an anti-Semite because I have the audacity to also disagree with how Israel treats other human beings (for the record, I also believe the way the US treats other human beings, both within its borders and around the world is disgusting).
A human being with a fully functioning brain can believe that treatment of Jewish people throughout history (not just The Holocaust) has been completely despicable AND also believe that Israel should treat other groups of people better. It doesn’t have to be a contest about who has been treated worse. It does not mean that the person holding those beliefs views those issues as equal. Your notion that I cannot criticize a state without hating the people is absurd. It’s even more absurd when you take into consideration Jewish people live all over the world, not just in Israel.
It’s a shame you choose to live life tilting at windmills when there are actual monsters to battle.
August 28th, 2018
Unfortunately, you revealed yourself in what you wrote. You compared events which are wholly incomparable. No one should have to explain what you wrote to you - that’s a smokescreen. Almost Trumpesque in its illogicality and obfuscation.
Contrary to what you seem to “think”, justifications for racism do not improve with laboured repetition. You’re making precisely the same racist schoolboy “error” as Jeremy Corbyn and his party. You may beguile yourself with your own contemptible prejudices, but it’s an audience of one.
The parameters of this area are really quite easy to discern - they have been since 1945.
August 28th, 2018
I’m afraid it is you who are revealing yourself. I have stated repeatedly that the way Jewish people have been treated is disgusting and wrong. Your continued attacks on a belief that I simply do not hold is honestly boring.
However, your support for the way Israel treats other human beings says a whole lot about you. My bet is you are the one staying up late into the night shining up your jackboots. Or maybe you prefer hobnailed? And I’m pretty sure Netanyahu and Trump are buddy-buddy, so don’t be trying to throw that sack of garbage on my doorstep. You can keep him.
August 28th, 2018
This is turning into a multi-volume work on the psychology of racism. You must be wearing that brownshirt too tight, it’s impaired your cognitive functions. You’ll note that I already said that it was unwise to clumsily attempt to draw a moral equivalence between the inexcusable actions of the Israeli government and the Holocaust.
That’s obviously not blind support for Israel. It is a consistent and coherent moral stance.
Playing the game of moral equivalence is slippery and evasive for even skilled participants.
The Donald and yourself should definitely avoid it.
What you wrote and what you think are clear for all to see; and what I said in response is abundantly transparent.
August 29th, 2018
I honestly don’t care what you consider unwise. You obviously are incapable of holding two thoughts in your head at once. The Jewish people have been treated probably worse than any other group throughout history, that’s already been established. I have never said that the actions of Israel reflect on all Jewish people or even all Israelis. I have never claimed that the actions of the Israeli government are equal to the way Jewish people have been treated.
You, however, seem to believe that because of the way Jewish people have been treated, Israel is above reproach. That is clearly blind support for Israel. You seem unable to separate the two therefore excusing all current and future behavior of the state because of how a people that are not even all represented by that state have been treated.
You are correct, your position is clearly noted and I’m sure Netanyahu and Trump and their supporters would find far more to support in your words than mine.
August 29th, 2018
You’re showing yourself to be utterly devoid of judgment and insight.
You’re sounding like a broken Wagner record at this point.
You are offhandedly mouthing off about a situation and events which you clearly do not understand.
Engaging in the most obtuse absurdities, saying that you didn’t say what you actually said, asserting that I said what I didn’t say - why “wouldn’t” this remind you of someone else? Another impulsive narcissist?
This, added to your casual, nauseating anti-semitism, dissembling and futile projection is not remotely edifying. You’ve descended still further by desperately reaching for the “I know you are, but what am I” line of attack. Scintillating stuff.
You’re on a hair trigger for certain unacceptable forms of racism, but you seem to have a predilection for other categories of prejudice.
It’s now “cool” over in Britain to be anti-Semitic. Particularly in the Labour party. The historical cycle has turned once more. So you’re in elevated company. Sickening tropes of anti-Semitism have appeared again in the culture. Something has to fill the moral vacuum, why not hatred of Jews?
Why would you put Israel’s actions in the same paragraph as the Shoah? It’s mind-bogglingly depressing and stupid.
Try reading books instead of burning them.
Primo Levi - ‘Every generation has its own fascism’ it’s own unique spin and variation. We see it manifesting itself, forming and taking shape. For some, it’s a very comfortable fit. They value and relish the dynamic of in-group/out-group/hate-group.
The Jewish people are not monolithic, I encountered a vast number of individuals and organisations in Israel vehemently opposed to the militant actions of the government.
We’re all capable of being victim/perpetrators, the Jews are not unique, but they can be described as sui generis in the sense that they have been scapegoated across history and cultures. You need a special language to attempt to describe the Holocaust, it cannot be casually equated to the unacceptable defensive/offensive actions of a modern state. This is to diminish and trivialise the inconceivable events of the Shoah. That is irresponsibly mindless and asinine - it’s incumbent upon you to think seriously about these issues before you attempt to fatuously pronounce and declaim.
August 31st, 2018
Show of digital hands, how many actually listened to the book and how many ()both pro and con for the book’s thesis) are just commenting?
August 31st, 2018
Well said, sam - haven’t had a chance to read this one yet, thanks for all the uploads.
September 20th, 2018
Thank you for sharing. I was really on the fence about getting this book but the comments here have pretty much just solidified this for me.
October 25th, 2019
Lol. The racists are having a meltdown. Good.
July 2nd, 2020
Seven reasons why this book is a total fraud:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWgnX84KD7A
July 2nd, 2020
Criticism of this book by Douglas Murray:
https://youtu.be/WDpujxB6Eoc?t=284
May 6th, 2023
What a stupid book. Niggies account for 13% of the population yet commit 55% of all murders and 70% of all felonies yet we’re supposed to believe they’re the victims of “the system.” What a scam. The rest of us are the victims of niggies.
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