White Fragility, Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism - Robin DiAngelo
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In this “vital, necessary, and beautiful book” (Michael Eric Dyson), antiracist educator Robin DiAngelo deftly illuminates the phenomenon of white fragility and “allows us to understand racism as a practice not restricted to ‘bad people’” (Claudia Rankine). Referring to the defensive moves that white people make when challenged racially, white fragility is characterized by emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt and by behaviors including argumentation and silence. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium and prevent any meaningful cross-racial dialogue.
In this in-depth exploration, DiAngelo examines how white fragility develops, how it protects racial inequality, and what we can do to engage more constructively.
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This post has 30 comments with rating of 2.3/5
June 11th, 2020
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June 11th, 2020
third time’s a charm…maybe ?
June 11th, 2020
I tried downloading the first one I saw, and couldn’t get it. I imagine, others had the same issue. I wasn’t aware of a second upload.
June 11th, 2020
Ouch. not even 5 minutes in and I got one hell of a headache. Throw together big words without meaning and you get this book. Like a politician that says absolutely nothing for 2 hours in a speech.
June 11th, 2020
As a black man, I listened to this book in order to extract information to teach and show my friends their racist attitudes and behavior in real life, I even gave share this copy to one racist coworker of mine that refused to condemn the racist violence of police towards black people.
This book is an amazing weapon to fight white bigotry and supremacism that rot America and Europe. It’s a matter of time before more African brother enrich America and Europe and the white boys have to accept how we take over their women, jobs and culture because of our physical strenght, intelligence and broterhood. Thank you for sharing again this masterpiece, Whites have to check their privilege.
June 11th, 2020
ARNELIETOR you sound like a white boy with a fetish
June 12th, 2020
You sound like a whiny white boy that thinks it’s just a fetish and not reality. How fragile white masculinity is. And I’m a native English speaker, if you now say my English sounds like whatever. Spreek jij Nederlands, witte jongen?
June 12th, 2020
The credulous naivety of those who make racist comments like “white boy,” who cannot see beyond their own prejudice and racism, is utterly astounding. I have this book, and hope to get past the introduction, which is a gagging, noxious pile of hyperbolic bovine poo.
Nope, I’m not fragile, I just know the stench of uneducated gullibility a mile away, and some of these comments betray an intellectual vacuum exceeded only by interstellar space.
June 12th, 2020
ARNELIETOR I am a proud man and think of how much it sucks to live in a coutry where the only accomplishments you have are gained by whinning about oprression and dupping stupid white people into believing they are responsible for slavery.
News flash!! you never suffered under slavery get over it.
you want to fix the black community?
fix fatherless rate, school system, welfare system and the gangster rap culture! quit blaming others for your problems.
June 12th, 2020
Nice response, cliffcliff.
Oh . . . and by the way, what happened to the standard racist response that no white person can speak intelligently on racism because they haven’t experienced it? But then some pandering, peckerwood “academic” writes a book inspired apparently by her own white guilt, which actually agrees with the mindless crowd to whom the word “racist” is likely the only multi-syllable word they know — WELL, that’s perfectly acceptable, isn’t it? Acceptable only because it agrees with their 3rd-grade mentality that has no other retort than to call someone a “whining white boy.”
I have to tell you, this comment thread is one of the most entertaining I’ve read in some time. I love watching trained seals who know nothing about life and how it works, trying to school others on it.
June 12th, 2020
It was SO difficult for me, because when I started the conversation the other side of the discussion screamed “RAAAAAAACIST” and set police cars on fire. I cried and cried until I remembered that I owned a firearm to protect myself,… and there were a LOT of rioters yelling “I can’t breath” over the sound of my reloading.
June 12th, 2020
Wow, ARNELIETOR…for a guy who seems to mentor whites of their flaws, you seem to have a very short temper. And a very racist attitude. And unlike what the Liberals teach us, blacks CAN and ARE racist. Just like whites. So please get off your high horse. You people seem to love conflict more than you hate racism. You people love fueling it with your hate speech. And when I say ‘you people’, I don’t mean all blacks. Because not all blacks are like yourself. Just like all whites are not racist, as you and this book seem to spout. I mean those who couldn’t live in a world WITHOUT racism…because you would be without purpose. Good day sir!
June 12th, 2020
It isn’t about racism. Blacks commit more crime, not because they’re evil, but because liberal policies have hurt them. Check out Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell if you want an explanation behind why the black community is where it is today. Unless you need all your race relation books written by white authors.
June 12th, 2020
flarecat777 if you want to join the discussion, bring something more than just that anal orifice you call a brain.
By the way, breathe has an ‘e’ at the end. And perhaps you should not partake of that activity until you become totally (not just partially) decerebrate. Just indulge the Darwinian concept of significantly raising the average IQ of the human race by resigning from it.
June 12th, 2020
great book! tho the white fragility in the chat is very apparent. listen to it with an open mind, and accept that its okay to be racist!
but its not okay to stay like that, you must grow as a person to recognize that its engrained in the system, and not really your fault for learning it. But you can work to undo that and become and ally. everyone is equal,
except the ruling class which force us to turn on each other over something as simple as the color of your skin
June 12th, 2020
Since the idea of systemic racism has been so thoroughly discredited - even by many black scholars - the only reason to perpetuate the myth is for absolutely puerile motivations.
Grow up people, and stop blaming your own failures on someone else, simply because they may have white skin.
Oh, by the way, KJBOV, just because someone endeavors to inject some truth into this facile argument doesn’t mean they are fragile. Perhaps it is purely because they hate lies, and are repulsed by such pervasive, willing gullibility.
June 13th, 2020
Brillo, you ain’t really saying much. But you got a lots of big words though I’ll give you that.
June 20th, 2020
Funny how a book about white fragility showcases so much white fragility in the comment section. And those fragile souls bring up crime when they are on a site literally stealing audiobooks. I mean… am I the only one seeing the irony here?
June 23rd, 2020
This is a good (and very useful) book but better as epub or hard copy … the audio version has a very poor choice of narrator. Her voice has a didactic quality that doesn’t reflect the textual content.
If you want to read more on racial justice I highly recommend Diversity Inc by Pamela Newkirk … exhaustively researched and beautifully written.
https://audiobookbay.lu/audio-books/diversity-inc-the-failed-promise-of-a-billion-dollar-business-pamela-newkirk/
June 30th, 2020
Dumbest book ever written…
July 2nd, 2020
Well, mobileaudiobookuser, if you know how to use a dictionary, and you look those words up, you may find my arguments have more substance than your thin, surface reasoning reveals.
July 2nd, 2020
niedy, you apparently believe that anyone differing with your assessment is “white” and “fragile” rather than just telling the truth. That kind of baseless argument reveals where the fragility really lies.
Enjoy blaming everyone else for your problems, because that’s usually where your kind of reasoning comes from - until you finally conclude that YOU are your own problem.
July 2nd, 2020
Criticism of this book by Douglas Murray:
https://youtu.be/WDpujxB6Eoc?t=284
July 8th, 2020
Only uneducated people believe this trash.
July 16th, 2020
I listened to this book in the same week that I listened to Thomas Sowell’s “Black Rednecks White Liberals.” While Sowell’s book is a thoughtful, exhaustively researched examination of race dynamics, DiAngelo’s is perhaps the single most poorly executed non-fiction book I’ve ever been exposed to. I don’t discount the premise that DiAngelo starts with (yes, people do find it difficult to talk about race) but DiAngelo didn’t apply even the slightest amount of academic rigor to her thesis; she comes across as a dim-witted corporate cracker with an obvious agenda to sell herself as a final voice in her field; and of course cash in on white guilt complex. The book is a series of assertions with little or no evidence to back them up; she occasionally throws a line like “there was a study done once to prove this” without any further details about the mysterious study, who did it, how it was done or why she is interpreting the data the way that she is. As a reader we are just expected to take her word for it or we’re dumb racists. The language in the book oscillates between childlike simplicity (perhaps accounting for its popularity) and dense jargon-laden Gordian knots. I spent the time to untangle a few of those paragraphs and found them devoid of value. I think the play between these two styles of writing is meant to undermine the reader’s own judgement in a cult-like form of brainwashing. In DiAngelo’s worldview POC are people without any sense of agency in their lives, zero ability to guide their own destiny and shape their future. To her credit she is right when she says she is and always will be a racist.
It boggles my mind that so many educated people have grasped onto this book as a bible for our times. I see Robyn DiAngelo as being the “Great White Hope” of race discourse in America. I find it sickening that she has somehow managed to rise to the top of the conversation while so many brilliant black conservatives are blown off as uncle toms by “open minded” white liberals.
In spite of all this I do encourage people to listen to it and appreciate how such an abominable train-wreck can become a best-seller. For contrast, please also give time to Thomas Sowell’s work. I recommend “Black Rednecks White Liberals” and “Discrimination and Disparities.” Set side-by-side one can let academic merit speak for itself.
July 17th, 2020
I’m with the protesters. They’re right to be outraged Defund the police. End the war on drugs. It’s long overdue.
With that said, this book is trash and the author is either a fraud or lying to herself. Reminds me of how everyone is an addict in the eyes of a substance abuse counselor. To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Elites, media, corporations, theyre dedicated to preserving the status quo. Neoliberalism, woke-ism, identity politics, are barriers to real action. A police sanctioned protest, with its permits and its curfews, is not a protest. Its a parade. If one parades when one should protest, nothing will fundamentally change.
August 5th, 2020
Here are some excerpts from a review of this deranged book by a woman who suffered severe abuse by a sociopathic, sex trafficking mother and recognized the same deranged tactics of guilt and shame in the arguments made by DeAngelo. The whole notion of white fragility is based on a logical fallacy called a kafkatrap: a sophistical rhetorical device in which any denial by the accused serves as evidence of guilt. Basically, the fact that you deny that you are a witch is evidence that you are a witch. In this woman’s experience this type of twisted argument was employed by her narcissistic mother to demonstrate that she was a whore.
“White Fragility - what’s wrong with the premise?
It follows the same premise that narcissists use to get a victim to prove their own false guilt from within. The reason that narcissistic abuse is so damaging is because it causes the victim to damn one’s self, no matter their intrinsically known innocence. It manipulates the victim into assassinating their own character and identity, in spite of ironclad internal knowledge of innocence and a preponderance of outward evidence to the contrary.
No amount of external evidence to the contrary is enough to alleviate the constant pressure to internalize the guilt, once a narcissist has their diabolical claws in your mind.
Requests to discuss allegations with a narcissist are met with a slow clever smile spreading across their face, and regulated breathing, as they respond, “The fact that you even want to discuss this, merely proves your guilt.”
DiAngelo argues that white people are inescapably racist, writing, “All white people are invested in and collude with racism,” and that “The white collective fundamentally hates blackness for what it reminds us of: that we are capable and guilty of perpetrating immeasurable harm and that our gains come through the subjugation of others.”
Back to how narcissists operate. How does it benefit the abuser to put the victim’s head in a “guilty of the unprovable” vise? It gives them godlike power over the other person. If you can convince an individual of the unmitigated hopelessness of themselves, you can lead them to assassinate their own identity, all the while believing that they deserve to do so.
The concept of identity assassination that is preached in White Fragility circles does not move the cause of justice forward. You cannot heal injustice by gaslighting everyone of a certain skin color. You cannot heal a lack of POC empowerment by excoriating the power of the individual to stand for or against racism on an individual basis, and to externally do everything within their power to fight injustice in their circles of influence and at the voting booth.
By accruing mass guilt to all white persons, you are removing their agency. Without agency, we cannot affect change.
Agency: to have agency over something means that one has the ability or authority to achieve control.
Furthermore, moral agency is an individual’s ability to make moral judgments based on some notion of right and wrong and to be held accountable for these actions. A moral agent is “a being who is capable of acting with reference to right and wrong.”
The premise of White Fragility, that that we are all born bad and our racism is inescapable, removes agency, moral or otherwise. In removing agency, author Di’Angelo has also removed accountability. Logically speaking, we cannot possibly be accountable for something over which we have no agency of change.
White people publicly accused of racism risk social ostracization and professional ruin. The idea that some white people may be defensive when accused of racism is not surprising. But though SOME white people may exhibit a degree of what DiAngelo calls fragility, her grandiose theory as applied to all or even most white people has two fatal flaws.
There is no way to prove or disprove one’s internal world. Narcs, too, love to deal in the realm of unprovable stuff, because evidence is too, well, inconvenient, for the desired power dynamic.
The legitimacy of a theory is in whether it is unfalsifiable or not.
DiAngelo’s theory of White Fragility is unfalsifiable. It is impossible for someone to prove that they are not fragile, just as it was impossible for me to prove that I was not a whore.
More insidiously, just like my mom, DiAngelo frames her theory of white fragility such that any denial of her theory is interpreted as proof of its validity.
For example, DiAngelo writes that:
“The mere suggestion that being white has meaning often triggers a range of defensive responses. These include emotions such as anger, fear, guilt, and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and withdrawal from the stress-inducing situation. These responses work to reinstate white equilibrium as they repel the challenge, return our racial comfort, and maintain our dominance within the racial hierarchy. I conceptualize this process as white fragility. Though white fragility is triggered by discomfort and anxiety, it is born of superiority and entitlement.”
DiAngelo leaves white readers with only two options. Either acknowledge your fragility, which proves DiAngelo’s theory, or deny your fragility, which according to DiAngelo, also proves her theory.
White people read the book because they care about fighting racism and being allies to people of color. They are ready to listen and are unabashedly looking for answers to difficult issues. What they are met with instead are Kafkatraps and logical fallacies in a ruse to convince ALL white people that they are racist and fragile.
So, what’s the answer?
I am listening. I care. However, I am unable to follow the siren song of a woman who would use the same manipulation tactics as my psychopathic mother with which to present “the answer”.
I will continue to believe in the power of individual agency to create a better future. Where there are causes that have a scientifically proven track record of increasing the agency and self-empowerment of POC, I will continue to support them.
I will not ascribe to anything that starts with the word, WHITE, which by definition is a bassackwards white-centric notion that decreases POC agency and a continued dependency on WHITE anything.
I will continue to use my finely-honed skills at noticing logical fallacies and kafkatraps. I will continue to stand against all manipulation.”
August 12th, 2020
pure trash.
December 5th, 2022
DiAngelo is one of the most racist, mentally ill individuals in the entire USA. Taking advice from her is like getting advice from Hitler or Ye regarding Jewish customs. Her entire schtick is fallacies, particularly the Kafka trap, and confessionals that reflect her own mental illness and blatant racism, which she then projects onto everybody else.
May 6th, 2023
What a stupid book. Niggies account for 13% of the population yet commit 55% of all murders and 70% of all felonies yet we’re supposed to believe they’re the victims of “the system.” What a scam. The rest of us are the victims of niggies.
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