Science Denial: Why It Happens and What to Do About It - Barbara Hofer and Gale Sinatra

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  schoollyd
  October 22nd, 2021
  

  

  Billions of dollars get made by keeping people dumb. That’s the only reason there’s science deniers.

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  yeongjodynamic
  October 22nd, 2021
  

  

  My opinions are based on a vast inventory of observations. Regarding Academia in the west a recent headline read. “China Is Building a Thorium Molten Salt Reactor - Here’s Why It Matters” by
  Anton Petrov. Number one reason why the United States discontinued research and investment in this area, it did not produce Plutonium as a byproduct of fission. China is building, and intends to commercialize the “Thorium Molten Salt Reactor” for export to third world nations in a peaceful manner.

  Academia is politically controlled and politically funded. The best interests of humanity occupies the back row seats if they are even allowed into the room.

  Circular thinking is such that you kick the dog, when it bites, call it a rabid dog, and then shoot it.

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  Poppy7
  October 22nd, 2021
  

  Back in the 19th century all the scientists promoted the idea that the space between planets was filled with ‘aether.’ That’s because light is a wave and waves travel through a medium, like water or air.
  Maxwell proved them all wrong.
  Denial of ’science’ is sometimes just not accepting something not adequately proven. Lots of the stuff labeled denial is just disagreement.

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  bosk
  October 22nd, 2021
  

  IF one actually followed the scientific method to prove a theory, we would not have many of the half-baked “science” postulates we now have in politics.

  When they have an ACTUAL scientific debate, these same people, who claim “you don’t believe in science” rig the debate by labeling those who want to have an actual debate as “deniers”, “misinformed”, etc and dismiss the actual science that would prove these half-baked pustulates wrong. The previous IPCCs proved that. The “deniers” were barred from participating.

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  Dresser275
  October 22nd, 2021
  

  @Poppy7
  … and sometimes “denial of science” is just simple bullsh*t awareness.

  For example, they keep telling us how global warming is causing sea levels to rise, but if you compare photographs of the Golden Gate Bridge inauguration in 1937 with present day photographs, it’s obvious that there has been zero sea-level increase in the last 80 years.

  If you perform the same exercise with vintage pictures of the Statue of Liberty or with other well-known coastal landmarks in other countries, the result is the same — zero sea-level rise.

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  Horstman
  October 22nd, 2021
  

  Thanks, Dresser, for proving the point of the author.

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  ccreader
  October 22nd, 2021
  

  A whole lot of scientific illiterates in this comment thread demonstrating the Dunning-Kruger effect.

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  Gweilo
  October 23rd, 2021
  

  @ Poppy7 “Lots of the stuff labeled denial is just disagreement.”
  No, that’s just a word game played by deniers. If you have facts or an alternate theory you can present, it’s science. That’s how science advances. Unlike religion, science is revised based in discoveries and experiment.
  “Denial” is just shouting down ideas you don’t like or find inconvenient.

  @Dresser275 “if you compare photographs of the Golden Gate Bridge”
  https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/rising-sea-level-will-hit-bay-area-hardest/1868690/
  “The mean sea level has risen nearly eight inches at the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco in the past century, and the sea level is projected to rise between 1 to 1.4 meters by 2100, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.”
  PS. Maybe you have heard of tides? Like climate, sea level is an average, not something you can measure at one point and time.

  Or maybe the scientists are faking all their data to make Trump look bad or so Jews can buy up waterfront land cheap.

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  bosk
  October 23rd, 2021
  

  Sea level rise?
  or
  Evidence of land sinking?

  Not that California is on a moving continental shelf that rides over a subduction zone and causes you know… earthquakes and other land movement, including rising and sinking coasts that give rise to sea levels, relatively.

  https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aba4551

  The most popular retort for a leftist to a scientist who disputes “man made climate change” or “global warming” or “global cooling”
  or whatever politically accepted term of the decade it is….. “He/She is the the pockets of big oil!”. Regardless of the science brought forth, the left does not want to have the debate on scientific terms or use the scientific process to validate their THEORIES….

  I read a paper where two European physicists proved that the CO2 molecule (which is a tiny fraction of the atmosphere) could not hold the heat necessary to bring about the doom and gloom predicted by so-called climate scientists….

  If CO2 was the storage medium of sunlight for global warming…. er…climate change…then Mars 97% CO2 in the atmosphere would be storing sunlight and the atmosphere would be considerably warmer than it is……. Remember the premise is that CO2 stores sunlight and retains it warming the atmosphere…. the more CO2 the greater the warming potential…… science.

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  caesar963
  October 23rd, 2021
  

  I’m a bit worried about myself, because I peruse one guy who goes “This is all X, and the truth is Why! And here follows a lot of semi-plausible minutiae to support Why!”
  And I think, ok, that all sounds almost persuasive.

  But then another chap goes & retorts with a load of inventive invective, saying “No, you’re the spawn of Satan, coz it was never Why, it was always double X! You hateful so & so, and here’s some more copy & paste stuff to buttress my things!”
  So then I’m thinkin’ now I nearly agree with this guy; he seems to know what someone else originally meant when he copied the ideas out.

  This is how people end up outsourcing all their thinking to dubious entities like reasonable-whicky & assorted Hate Sites, because they feel themselves cognitively buffeted.

  However, I’m going to have to demur at the climate scepticism, simply on the grounds of my old pal, the precautionary principle, and the welfare of posterity & so forth.

  A word of advice to my fellow climate worriers: it’s a tactical error to politicise a scientific/environmental issue of great importance like this, although it’s probably too late to reverse that train as well.
  If there’s a perception amongst people that the issue is being used by some as a wedge in order to bring about another 20th c Utopia, it will be resisted on those grounds, not upon the merits of the case itself.

  Science Denial: Why It Happens and What to Do About It - Barbara Hofer and Gale Sinatra
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  illodiini
  October 23rd, 2021
  

  Allegedly a charismatic wood carpenter once said: “The poor you will always have with you”
  I think it’s the same with stupid.
  The people who attack science start with their very own definition of science. Then they will say something like “They’re not sure, and they’re constantly changing their mind, so why should I believe them.”.
  Internet will get you dozens of opinions of any given thing. One of them might even be a fact. But it also gives you some opportunities to check those opinions. Stupid people also have opinions.
  I believe in science, and I believe in the honesty of most scientists. That makes me the opposite of most Trumpsters and religious people, I think.

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  caesar963
  October 23rd, 2021
  

  Yer a little treasure, illodiini - you oughta be buried.

  Science Denial: Why It Happens and What to Do About It - Barbara Hofer and Gale Sinatra
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  illodiini
  October 23rd, 2021
  

  -and you’re related to a potato, my good caesar.

  Science Denial: Why It Happens and What to Do About It - Barbara Hofer and Gale Sinatra
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  caesar963
  October 23rd, 2021
  

  No need 2 b chippy - I did say that you’re a valuable treasure. Peeps can’t take a compliment on this internet machine.

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  illodiini
  October 23rd, 2021
  

  One can sing praises to manure - if one is a farmer.

  Science Denial: Why It Happens and What to Do About It - Barbara Hofer and Gale Sinatra
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  caesar963
  October 23rd, 2021
  

  Yeah, but that anal-ogy - are you supposed to be the manure there? I’m praising manure, or summink? I don’t think that’s either fair or effective.

  Science Denial: Why It Happens and What to Do About It - Barbara Hofer and Gale Sinatra
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  illodiini
  October 23rd, 2021
  

  I’d say, you’re full of compliments.

  Science Denial: Why It Happens and What to Do About It - Barbara Hofer and Gale Sinatra
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  caesar963
  October 23rd, 2021
  

  That’s actually quite moving - I reciprocate fully, Frosty.

  Science Denial: Why It Happens and What to Do About It - Barbara Hofer and Gale Sinatra
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  Gweilo
  November 13th, 2021
  

  @bosk : “He/She is the the pockets of big oil!”
  Words fail me … The “right” are in the pockets of big oil. It’s documented. They donate billions to them And get their quid pro quo.
  https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dark-money-funds-climate-change-denial-effort/

  “Regardless of the science brought forth, the left does not want to have the debate on scientific terms or use the scientific process to validate their THEORIES”

  When 97% of scientists concur on a question, the debate is over. It’s been validated a thousand times.

  “If CO2 was the storage medium of sunlight for global warming…. er…climate change…then Mars 97% CO2 in the atmosphere would be storing sunlight and the atmosphere would be considerably warmer than it is…”
  Mars’ atmosphere is less than 1% the pressure of earth, but it keeps it a bit warmer then if there were none. Also Mars is 1.5 times as far from the sun, it has 43% as much sunlight.
  On the other hand, Venus has a thick atmosphere of C02, and is 460C at the surface.

  Science Denial: Why It Happens and What to Do About It - Barbara Hofer and Gale Sinatra
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  BeansMagoo
  September 18th, 2022
  

  It’s easy to criticize me, but they’re really criticizing science because I represent science.

  Science Denial: Why It Happens and What to Do About It - Barbara Hofer and Gale Sinatra

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