Did America Have a Christian Founding?: Separating Modern Myth from Historical Truth - Mark David Hall
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“Powerfully and thoroughly rebuts—claim by claim—the consistently errant assertions by a never-ending stream of prominent and popular commentators who report that the American Founding was a wholly secular and enlightenment affair.”
—BARRY ALAN SHAIN, professor of political science, Colgate University, and author of The Myth of American Individualism
“A fresh look at the very real extent to which Christian thought and belief played a vital role in the making of our country.”
—MAT THEW J. FRANCK, associate director, James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions, Princeton University
“Hall’s lucid volume . . . corrects many modern misconceptions about [the founders’] political philosophy and achievements.”
—GEORGE H. NASH, historian, lecturer, and author of The Conservative Intellectual Movement in America Since 1945
“Hall’s beautifully written and immensely thoughtful new book should be read by anyone interested in the role of religion in the founding of the American Republic.”
—DAVID G. DALIN, senior research fellow, Brandeis University, and author of Jewish Justices of the Supreme Court, from Brandeis to Kagan
“Hall clearly shows what’s most important: that Christian ideas profoundly influenced the Founders, and through them all of us.”
—DR. MARVIN OLASKY, editor in chief of World and author of Fighting for Liberty and Virtue
“Beautiful. . . . Fully debunks the pervasive myth that America’s founders were deists. As I turned each page, my smile grew larger to know that here,
in a single short book, history was being set aright.”
—RODNEY K. SMITH, Stirling Chair and director of the Center for Constitutional Studies, Utah Valley University, and author of James Madison: The Father of Religious Liberty
A distinguished professor debunks the assertion that America’s Founders were deists who desired the strict separation of church and state and instead shows that their political ideas were profoundly influenced by their Christian convictions.
Many Americans have been taught a distorted, inaccurate account of our nation’s founding, one that claims that the founders were deists who desired the strict separation of church and state and that the country’s founding political ideas developed without reference to Christianity. In this revelatory, rigorously argued new book, Mark David Hall thoroughly debunks that modern myth and shows instead that the founders’ political ideas were profoundly influenced by their Christian convictions.
Drawing from hundreds of personal letters, public proclamations, early state constitutions and laws, and other original documents, Professor Hall makes the airtight case that America’s founders were not deists; that they did not create a “godless” Constitution; that even Jefferson and Madison did not want a high wall separating church and state; that most founders believed the government should encourage Christianity; and that they embraced a robust understanding of religious liberty for biblical and theological reasons. In addition, Hall explains why and how the founders’ views are absolutely relevant today.
Did America Have a Christian Founding? is a compelling, utterly convincing closing argument in the debate about the role of faith in the nation’s founding, making it clear that Christian thought was crucial to the nation’s founding—and demonstrating that this benefits all of us, whatever our faith (or lack thereof).
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This post has 26 comments with rating of 4.2/5
July 12th, 2020
Incisive stuff, rmoor. The predisposition towards perpetuation of political myth is a persistent propensity. It’ll die very hard in the ears of those who refuse to hear.
July 12th, 2020
The fringe far-right has come up with some insane theories, but this one (without a doubt) takes the cake.
“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” —John Adams
July 12th, 2020
…yeah, always be careful to distinguish State religion. And to contextualise. Why should the factual historical record transmogrify into your fringe far-right?
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams
July 12th, 2020
“Because we have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, and licentiousness would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” —John Adams
That’s the full quote. Adams equated morality with religion. No where does he mention Christianity.
The fring far-right will twist history to their benefit. Maybe they skipped the lesson on separation of church and state?
“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” —John Adams
July 12th, 2020
“I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man” — Thomas Jefferson
That includes the tyranny of any particular religion.
July 12th, 2020
…and what did religion represent to a profoundly Judeo-Christian people? I’ll wager not Jediism.
The Christianity-ordained secular separation is essential & should not be skipped (locus classicus is The New Testament) - core to democratic liberties. It facilitates the speaking of truth to power dynamic.
All mendacious actors will seek to distort history, fringe far left/right & assorted chaps - but the sources are always there for objective types to peruse.
July 12th, 2020
The context for the Adams’ quote you deployed was the 1797 treaty with the Barbary Privateers. He sought to stem unremitting Mohammedan raids against Mediterranean shipping and protect American sailors from African slavery - by being as non-threatening as possible. This obscure treaty didn’t work & the US, replete with a burgeoning navy, subsequently concluded treaties which contained no such concessions.
Historian John Fea notes, “If the Treaty of Tripoli is correct, and the United States was not ‘founded on the Christian religion,’ then someone forgot to tell the American people… The idea that the United States is a ‘Christian nation,’ has always been central to American identity.”
John Adams further observed on the subject of how independence was achieved “I answer, the general principles of Christianity, in which all those sects were united…which had united all parties in America, in majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her independence.”
July 13th, 2020
Not much to do with Korea though has it :(
July 13th, 2020
Time is fast approaching, Rosco, for a staged intervention/interference. Your special K-fixation will be the virtual death of you.
July 13th, 2020
*Spit-takes. Now hold on just a minute! Have you ever considered it could in fact be your time to #walkway from this all-pervading non-Korea centered worldview and be properly K-pilled? I hate to pull rank but I’m kind of a big shot in the world of edgamucation and even going back as far as my college days I have proof which will verily see the scales fall from your eyes. Yes looking here at a review of my work it begins by saying “This monograph is a lucid scholarly and readable piece of research which makes a significant and original contribution to Presocratic and Platonic studies…” and this was for a piece primarily focused on, “An introduction to Girls Generation: With a closer look at Yoona’s midriff”! To bring this into perspective my roommate who ironically was seemly working really hard on this Socrates-sshmocrates stuff, suddenly got drummed out of the place with no explanation, and later died after becoming homeless. I sometimes feel a pang of guilt when I remember fondly the day when we nearly mixed up our essay coversheets but my success and emergence the new K-logos are nothing to be ashamed of so you’ll be smart if you wisen yourself up by learning some fanchants and all the dances.
July 13th, 2020
I can see Paektu Mountain from my house.
Or was that Pikachu Mountain…?
July 13th, 2020
@ssafe, Pikachu is from a land of profane false idols *spits and makes warding gestures so the holy lake’s protector smiling-leader fat man spirit doesn’t appear on straining horse.
July 13th, 2020
@Roscoteapot
I have it on good report from a Houyhnhnm that said white horse is the actual ruler of K-Town (not to be confused with Kaiserslautern) and was merely helping a limping Yahoo to a nearby Yahoo skin factory.
Peace be upon the electric mouse - and may it stay far away from the non-heathens
July 13th, 2020
*yobbishly sticks chin out. Yeah well, caesar be slautern you if you try to use scientism to prove K-Town isn’t the of home the celestials like Red Velvet and IU. *murmurs to self, I hope have the old coot brainw.. eh I mean convinced or I’m going to pretty stupid.
July 13th, 2020
Before we, er, come onto Yoona’s midriff, the gravamen of the complaint must be considered. You must not presume to exploit our K-inKomprehension, that would be as recKlessly Kavalier as all the Kovid-oblivious American tourists arriving at the moment, fully decKed out in their incarnadine MAGA hats (shouldn’t that proud slogan have devolved into KAG or summat?).
I’ll allow that your erudite ‘monogram’ was “lucid & scholarly” - but ‘readable’? Caesar has heard the chimes at midnight, and his momma didn’t raise no dummies. University disquisitions & readability are risibly oppugnant.
Your blameless roommate sounds like he was a victim of an active K-agent. When my people’s suffering end?
On an unrelated matter: why is it that every word that Caesar seeks to weaponise here gets a red, squiggly line under it? Either this system is “postliterate” or…no, too disturbing to contemplate. I must repair to a self-protective fugue state, utilising the vehicle of my non-functional, scientician-manufactured Pikachu jetpack…
July 13th, 2020
Thank you!
July 13th, 2020
That first line, I’m dead :) https://giphy.com/gifs/QMkPpxPDYY0fu
July 13th, 2020
Well, that’s great, Gatsby!
July 13th, 2020
Well played, old sport.
July 13th, 2020
Thank you rmoor!
As Caesar mentioned:
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams
This makes me think the west is doomed. (Also mass immigration without teaching western values, and low fertility of the population with western values.)
July 31st, 2020
Yeah, Thomas Jefferson, what a Christian!! Guy rewrote the bible, but left out all the things he didnt believe were real, like, oh, almost of Jesus’ miracles and the resurrection. Religion then was much like religion now, some believed, some didnt, but to suggest that all of the founding fathers were religious is nonsense. Theae guys prided themselves on being “enlightened”, and if you think the enlightenment movement was religious tolerant you need to read again, one of their biggest “accomplishments” was their ability to leave the church and its “fairy tales” behind. Again, some were absolutely religious, but an equal number weren’t. Many, including G.W. and Benjamin Franklin were Free Masons, others were certainly deists, they have correspondence between many admitting as much. As for John Adam’s, the guy became a Unitarian in later years, didnt believe in the trinity of Christ. Like I said, it was then very much like it was today, a mixed bag.
August 8th, 2020
The Enlightenment had many “accomplishments” - the creation of “scientific” racism; the expedient distortion of history (Voltaire held that consulting sources was vulgar, and interfered with narrative flow); the French Revolution & its bloody Terror; the Napoleonic Wars & the corresponding rise of ethnic/racial Nationalism; etc. etc. Blood, blood & yet more blood.
The Founders were concerned with what works, sustainable institutions, social cohesion, durability of a fledgling system. A proven moral system & ethical laws. How we actually judge & evaluate an action as right or wrong, including the functioning of Christianity itself.
August 16th, 2020
They’re pooping out these turds like crazy boy
August 25th, 2020
…it must be all the stewed prunes.
September 4th, 2020
Dr. Mark David Hall; professor of political science at he the distinguished George Fox University, author of the ‘Imaginative Conservative’ and HERITAGE FOUNDATION member… no agenda here. Read the preamble of America’s Treaty with Tripoli. Another not seeing the forest for the trees. America’s founding fathers already had a common background to institute the idea of democracy as well as the administrative formation of a functional government. George Washington first elected president AND FIRST American GRANDMASTER! Why is that relevant? The founding fathers didn’t pull the idea of democracy or the structural formation of a federal and state government out of their collective rear ends. It didn’t come from long nights of Bible reading either. They were already familiar with it all through their Masonic teachings and organization which gave them the template for BOTH! The morality of the Constitution, Bill of Rights etc. came from Judaic, Christian AND Islamic (What!) religious common morality that was integrated into European Masonic teachings since the Crusades. Why? Because the same European intellectuals realized the morality minus religious doctrine were the same. The federal government is EXACTLY set-up like a Grand Lodge, state government is exactly set-up in relation to the federal government as subordinate local lodges. America was called the ‘Great Experiment’ since it’s formation by European Kings and leaders who were also…. Masons! Why? To see if a country could actually function as such. The United Kingdom & other European countries later adopted the same Masonic Lodge format (House of Lords, House of Commons, Parliament etc.) much later. Another clue: every Blue Lodge (MM)/Black House (Templars) have a Bible, every Red House (RAM) revolves around Judeo tradition, EVERY Shrine (Shiners) has a Quran (Koran) by the dispensation and Authority of the Middle Eastern Shrine, even the southern ones!!! Separation of Church and State does not equal a Judeo-Christian nation. Another conspiracy theory? LOL, “So Mote It Be.”
December 21st, 2020
Most of the comment threads on this site are pretty boring, the usual stock comments. But this one was an entertaining read. Some of you are omnipresent here- spooks, possibly? Are you like that corpulent opera-singing nebbish that is constantly editing Wikipedia as a full time job? A lot of the same tired astroturfed, communitarian dialectics show up. In response to that final comment- exactly. How about those ‘Abrahamic Accords’for facilitating more arms trafficking and golden crescent heroin/Israeli ecstasy hop scotch? Here’s a more interesting historical take
https://ordoabchao.ca
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