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[kassyopeia]

 --- under construction; to be moved to the "torrent linklists" archive upon completion ---

Key

• Hugo
• Nebula
  
  
• Hugo and Nebula, successive years
• Hugo and Nebula, same year
  
  
• NB: Both are on rare occasions split between multiple nominees, or not awarded at all.

[kassyopeia]

Novels

• 2017 "The Broken Earth: The Obelisk Gate" by N K Jemisin -> [read by Robin Miles, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
• 2017 "All the Birds in the Sky" by Charlie J Anders -> [Alyssa Bresnahan/Recorded Books, MP3 @ 32 Kbps]
• 2016 "The Broken Earth: The Fifth Season" by N K Jemisin -> [M4A]
• 2016 "Uprooted" by Naomi Novik -> [read by Julia Emelin, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
• 2015 "The Three-Body Problem" by Cixin Liu -> [read by Luke Daniels, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
• 2015 "Southern Reach: Annihilation" by Jeff VanderMeer
  • ["Annihilation" only, read by Carolyn McCormick, MP3 @ 48 Kbps]
  • ["Southern Reach" series pack, read by Carolyn McCormick/Bronson Pinchot/Xe Sands, M4B]
• 2014 "Ancillary Justice" by Ann Leckie -> [read by Celeste Ciulla, MP3]
• 2013 "Redshirts" by John Scalzi -> [MP3]
• 2013 "2312" by Kim S Robinson -> [MP3]
• 2012 "Among Others" by Jo Walton -> [read by Katherine Kellgren, M4A @ 64 Kbps]
• 2011 "Blackout/All Clear" (one story, two volumes) by Connie Willis
  • ["Blackout" only, MP3]
  • ["All Clear" only, MP3 @ 32 Kbps]
• 2010 "The City & the City" by China Mieville
  • [read by John Lee, M4A @ 32 Kbps]
  • [MP3 @ 128 Kbps]
• 2010 "The Windup Girl" by Paolo Bacigalupi
  • ["The Windup Girl" only, read by Jonathan Davis, MP3 @ 96 Kbps]
  • ["The Windup Girl" plus short stories,  M4A @ 32 Kbps]
• 2009 "The Graveyard Book" by Neil Gaiman
  • [read by a full cast, MP3 @ 32 Kbps]
  • [MP3 @ 128 Kbps]
• 2009 "Powers" by Ursula K Le Guin -> [Ursula K Le Guin Collection]
• 2008 "The Yiddish Policemen's Union" by Michael Chabon -> [read by Peter Riegert, MP3 @ 48 Kbps]
• 2007 "Rainbows End" by Vernor Vinge -> [M4A @ 32 Kbps]
• 2007 "Seeker" by Jack McDevitt -> [M4A @ 32 Kbps]
• 2006 "Spin" by Robert Charles Wilson -> ["Spin" series pack, M4A @ 32 Kbps]
• 2006 "Camouflage" by Joe Haldeman -> [M4A @ 32 Kbps]
• 2005 "Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell" by Susanna Clarke -> [read by Simon Prebble, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
• 2004-2005 "Chalion: Paladin of Souls" by Lois McMaster Bujold
  • ["Chalion" series pack, read by Lloyd James, MP3 @ 32 Kbps]
  • ["Chalion" series pack, MP3 @ 128 Kbps]
• 2004 "Speed of Dark" by Elizabeth Moon -> [MP3 @ 32 Kbps]
• 2003 "The Neanderthal Parallax: Hominids" by Robert J Sawyer -> [MP3]
• 2002-2003 "American Gods" by Neil Gaiman -> [10th Anniversary Edition, read by a full cast, MP3 @ 96 Kbps]
• 2002 "Skolian Saga: Quantum Rose" by Catherine Asaro -> ["Skolian Saga" partial series pack, M4A @ 32 Kbps]
• 2001 "" by -> []
• 2001 "Darwin: Darwin's Radio" by Greg Bear -> ["Darwin" series pack, read by George Guidall]
• 2000 "Zones of Thought: A Deepness in the Sky" by Vernor Vinge
  • ["A Deepness in the Sky" only]
  • ["Zones of Thought" series pack, M4A @ 32 Kbps]
• 2000 "Parable of the Talents" by Octavia E Butler -> [MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
• 1999 "To Say Nothing of the Dog" by Connie Willis
  • [MP3 @ 48 Kbps]
  • [read by Steven Crossley, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
• 1998-1999 "Forever Peace" by Joe Haldeman -> [read by George Wilson, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
• 1998 "The Moon and the Sun" by Vonda N McIntyre -> [read by Anna Fields, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
• 1997 "Mars: Blue Mars" by Kim S Robinson -> ["Mars" series pack, read by Richard Ferrone, MP3 @ 56 Kbps]
• 1997 "" by -> []
• 1996 "" by -> []
• 1996 "" by -> []
• 1995 "" by -> []
• 1995 "" by -> []
• 1994 "Mars: Green Mars" by Kim S Robinson -> ["Mars" series pack, read by Richard Ferrone, MP3 @ 56 Kbps]
• 1994 "Mars: Red Mars" by Kim S Robinson -> ["Mars" series pack, read by Richard Ferrone, MP3 @ 56 Kbps]
• 1993 "" by -> []
• 1993 "" by -> []
• 1992 "" by -> []
• 1992 "" by -> []

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(continued from above)

• 1981 "" by -> []
• 1981 "" by -> []
• 1980 "" by -> []
• 1979 "" by -> []
• 1978 "Gateway" by Frederik Pohl -> [Frederik Pohl Collection]
• 1977 "Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang" by Kate Wilhelm -> [read by Anna Fields, MP3]
• 1977 "Man Plus" by Frederik Pohl -> [Frederik Pohl Collection]
• 1976 "" by -> []
• 1975 "The Dispossessed" by Ursula K Le Guin -> [Ursula K Le Guin Collection]
• 1974 "Rendezvous with Rama" by Arthur C Clarke -> [read by Peter Ganim, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
• 1973 "" by -> []
• 1972 "Riverworld: To Your Scattered Bodies Go" by Philip Jose Farmer -> ["Riverworld" series pack]
• 1972 "A Time of Changes" by Robert Silverberg -> [Robert Silverberg Collection]
• 1971 "" by -> []
• 1970 "The Left Hand of Darkness" by Ursula K Le Guin -> [Ursula K Le Guin Collection]
• 1969 "Stand on Zanzibar" by John Brunner -> [M4A @ 32 Kbps]
• 1969 "Rite of Passage" by Alexei Panshin -> [read by Elizabeth Evans, M4B @ 32 Kbps]
• 1968 "Lord of Light" by Roger Zelazny -> [M4A @ 32 Kbps]
• 1968 "The Einstein Intersection" by Samuel R Delany -> [Samuel R Delany Collection]
• 1967 "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress" by Robert A Heinlein -> [Robert A Heinlein Megapack]
• 1967 "Babel-17" by Samuel R Delany -> [Samuel R Delany Collection]
• 1967 "Flowers for Algernon" by Daniel Keyes -> [read by Jeff Woodman, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
• 1966 "This Immortal" (fka "And Call Me Conrad") by Roger Zelazny -> [read by Victor Bevine, MP3]
• 1966 "Dune" by Frank Herbert
  • [George Guidall and Davina Porter/Recorded Books, MP3 @ 64 Kbps] <- endorsed by kassy
  • [All search results for 'dune frank herbert']
• 1965 "The Wanderer" by Fritz Leiber -> [Norman Deitz/Recorded Books, MP3]
• 1964 "Way Station" (fka "Here Gather the Stars") by Clifford D Simak
  • [Eric Michael Summerer/Audible, MP3 @ 32 Kbps]
  • [M4A @ 32 Kbps]
• 1963 "The Man in the High Castle" by Philip K Dick -> [read by Jeff Cummings, MP3 @ 192 Kbps]
• 1962 "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert A Heinlein -> [Robert A Heinlein Megapack]
• 1961 "A Canticle for Leibowitz" by Walter M Miller, Jr -> [MP3]
• 1960 "Starship Troopers" by Robert A Heinlein -> [Robert A Heinlein Megapack]
• 1959 "A Case of Conscience" by James Blish -> [read by Jay Snyder, MP3 @ 32 Kbps]
• 1958 "The Big Time" by Fritz Leiber -> [read by Suzanne Toren, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
• 1956 "Double Star" by Robert A Heinlein -> [Robert A Heinlein Megapack]
• 1955 "They'd Rather Be Right" by Mark Clifton and Frank Riley -> [never recorded]
• 1953 "The Demolished Man" by Alfred Bester -> [M4A @ 32 Kbps]

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[kassyopeia]

When/if completed, this should be a list of working (!) audiobook torrents for all all Hugo and Nebula award-winning novels for which there exist audio versions, listed e.g. here and there.

Working notes, in case others want to contribute, which I'm hoping for:
- Pick a year, locate the (usually) two novels in the lists linked above, look for corresponding shares (which may mean a series or author pack).
- If such torrents exist, test health.
- If no such torrents exist or none remain healthy, upload one, or ask for one to be uploaded via the requests board.
- Then post list entry in this thread, including year, titles (with links to 'pedia pages or some such), authors (ditto), torrent links, for it to be added to the OP.
- If multiple healthy torrents exist, select which one(s) to include, based on quality (specs, comments, and so forth). If they differ in matters like file format or even correspond to different productions, by all means include the lot, though.
- As you can see, I've tentatively started the list in reverse chronological order, because on reflection I imagine there are more people who are more interested in the latest entries than in the earliest ones than vice versa, so this makes it more user-friendly overall... yes?
- Adding mere nominees as well as actual winners would make this listing too unwieldy, IMO. Do others feel differently?

Early feedback appreciated!

[Gweilo]

Since this is just novels, not shorts, novellas, and other categories, should say so in the title.
Also could be a bit shorter, say:

Best SF and Fantasy Novels: Hugo and Nebula winners 1953-present

What is [WiP]?

[kassyopeia]

I wanted to put "Best of Science Fiction and Fantasy: Hugo and Nebula Award-Winning Novels 1953-present", but ran out of character quota.

On reflection, though, there's no reason to exclude the other awards a priori. Instead, I'm going to put "novels" as the title of the first post, and if at some point I or someone else decides to add further categories, those can go into the second (et cetera) posts as separate lists.

"WiP" was the shortest way I could come up with to put something equating to "under construction" into the title - "work in progress". I'm not sure I'd have recognized it immediately either, but it does have enough sufficient currency to have made it into a handful of dictionaries.

[kassyopeia]

There's a number of cases in which the awards were won jointly but "offset" by a year, as in: "Paladin of Souls" by Lois McMaster Bujold, Hugo Award 2004, Nebula Award 2005. What's the best way to present that? Like so, maybe?

• 2005
  • H "Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell" by Susanna Clarke
• 2004-2005
  • HN "Paladin of Souls" by Lois McMaster Bujold
• 2004
  • N "The Speed of Dark" by Elizabeth Moon

I find it a bit confusing, but all the information is there (at least implicitly) and I really don't want to list the book twice or use a qv along the lines of "see last year's Hugo award" or whatever. Then again, some of those cases occur in successive years, which makes it yet a bit more confusing. So... I dunno.

[ETA] I could also use tables instead of lists. It doesn't look like this bbCode supports merged cells, but even without, they do a passable job. Definitely more fiddly, though.

2006	H N	"Spin" by Robert C Wilson "Camouflage" by Joe Haldeman
2005	H	"Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell" by Susanna Clarke
2005 2004	N H	"Paladin of Souls" by Lois McMaster Bujold
2004	N	"The Speed of Dark" by Elizabeth Moon
2003	H N	"Hominids" by Robert J Sawyer "American Gods" by Neil Gaiman

[Gweilo]

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_joint_winners_of_the_Hugo_and_Nebula_awards for how they handle it.

[kassyopeia]

Thanks, good find. That does help a bit.

[kassyopeia]

It occurred to me that colour-coding provides quite an elegant solution to that offset-year wrinkle, because that approach bypasses the list hierarchy altogether. Using for instance Hugo award, Nebula award, both awards:

• 2008 "The Yiddish Policemen's Union" by Michael Chabon
• [...]
• 2005 "Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell" by Susanna Clarke
• 2004-2005 "Paladin of Souls" by Lois McMaster Bujold
• 2004 "The Speed of Dark" by Elizabeth Moon

[kassyopeia]

Yesterday, N K Jemisin won a Hugo for her novel "The Obelisk Gate", sequel to "The Fifth Season" for which she won the same award last year. I see only one precedent for such a back-to-back win for two novels in a series, namely Card's "Ender's Game" and "Speaker of the Dead" in the '80s. Quite an accomplishment!

[Gweilo]

Yesterday, N K Jemisin won a Hugo for her novel "The Obelisk Gate", sequel to "The Fifth Season"

I checked  "The Fifth Season" and the torrent is actually m4a, so I corrected that.
I hope these won on the merits, not out of some attempt to correct the "SF is so white" image. Not that I'm a Sad Puppy.  I was a fan of Samuel Delany for a decade before I saw a photo of him and realised he was black....  It's the books that matter, not who or what the author is.
Will put it on my reading list anyway.

[kassyopeia]

I checked  "The Fifth Season" and the torrent is actually m4a, so I corrected that.

Thanks! I take the snippets I use for the share link from the top of the torrent description, so if it's wrong there, it's going to be wrong here too. I'll try to get into the habit of checking the stated filetype against the contents listing from now on.

[Gweilo]

I'll try to get into the habit of checking the stated filetype against the contents listing from now on.

"mp3" alone usually means "I don't know or care".
Most just leave it as default, very few bother to give the bitrate.

Also, there was another back-to-back: in 1991 & 92 Lois McMaster Bujold won Hugos for The Vor Game and Barrayar respectively, both in her Vorkosigan  series.  Read one of them once; barely SF at all. A "cosy space opera" maybe. Which I can enjoy, but forgettable.

[kassyopeia]

So there was! I assumed the two titles had to be unconnected because they're listed with different publishers in the listicle, but that assumption was clearly too naive in this case.

[kassyopeia]

As a title, yes you'd lower case "in" but as an acronym you should cap all.

Matter of taste more than anything else, no? Stands to reason that I must've seen it this way, or at least seen similar acronyms spelled this way, otherwise I'd not have thought to do it this way here!

Usually, words which would not be capitalized in title-case are left out of such abbreviations completely. Sometimes they are included to make the result more "pronounceable" as a word in its own right (like "radar" instead of "RDR" for "radio detection and ranging", IIRC). When they are included the result can be all-caps or mixed-case, depending on... what the one coining it feels like, presumably?

Anyway, I'm not much concerned with getting the title just-so during the "in-progress" stage, and the permanent title won't include the tag, obviously, so there!

You could sort by award like: "Hugo", "Nebula", "Hugo/Nebula" and just put the year secondary, authors(s) tertiary.

I did consider that, but it seems to me that the year-primary approach better caters to diverse users. It works both for those who are looking specifically for, say, "1987 Nebula Award", and for those who are looking for something more nebulous like "great speculative fiction from the '80s". An award-first approach is actually less convenient for both types, because they'd have to locate the year/decade in question in two (Nebula and joint) and in all three lists, respectively.

Just know my bros and broettes, dudes and dudettes, orcs and elves, dead and undead or the rest of you....the full treasure is here!!!...and Dallis is AWESOME!

You forgot "ladies and gentlemammals"! (But the way you forgot it was awesome indeed!!)

[kassyopeia]

Besides    "Re: [WiP]"    = 9 character spaces so you could sub WorkCopy: in the same space and be less mysterious.

Incidentally, I was curious about that too, and investigated, and no, the "Re: " prefix doesn't count as part of the character quota. If the thread title is exactly as long as it's allowed to be, the reply post titles will be four characters longer than they'd ordinarily be allowed to be, so as not to bite off the tail of the thread title. If one removes the "Re: " from the subject line of the "post reply" form, it won't allow one to put something else in its stead.

[kassyopeia]

Unless I can drastically cut back on the markup, the complete list isn't going to fit into a single post: I'm already past 10k characters, 20k is the limit, and I'm only about a quarter done. Ah well, splitting it up isn't the end of the world... I could even go to something like a one-decade-per-post scheme, to further aid navigation. TBD.

[kassyopeia]

--- backup of current contents of OP, prior to major change of layout ---

Novels (years in which both awards were won by the same work are emphasized)

• 2017
  • H "The Obelisk Gate" by N K Jemisin -> [read by Robin Miles, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
  • N "All the Birds in the Sky" by Charlie J Anders -> [Alyssa Bresnahan/Recorded Books, MP3 @ 32 Kbps]
• 2016
  • H "The Fifth Season" by N K Jemisin -> [M4A]
  • N "Uprooted" by Naomi Novik -> [read by Julia Emelin, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
• 2015
  • H "The Three-Body Problem" by Cixin Liu -> [read by Luke Daniels, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
  • N "Southern Reach, Book 1: Annihilation" by Jeff VanderMeer
    • ["Annihilation" only, read by Carolyn McCormick, MP3 @ 48 Kbps]
    • ["Southern Reach" pack, read by Carolyn McCormick/Bronson Pinchot/Xe Sands, M4B]
• 2014
  • HN "Ancillary Justice" by Ann Leckie -> [read by Celeste Ciulla, MP3]
• 2013
  • H "Redshirts" by John Scalzi -> [MP3]
  • N "2312" by Kim S Robinson -> [MP3]
• 2012
  • HN "Among Others" by Jo Walton -> [read by Katherine Kellgren, M4A @ 64 Kbps]
• 2011
  • HN "Blackout/All Clear" (one story, two volumes) by Connie Willis
    • ["Blackout" only, MP3]
    • ["All Clear" only, MP3 @ 32 Kbps]
• 2010
  • HN "The Windup Girl" by Paolo Bacigalupi
    • ["The Windup Girl" only, read by Jonathan Davis, MP3 @ 96 Kbps]
    • ["The Windup Girl" plus short stories,  M4A @ 32 Kbps]
  • H "The City & the City" by China Mieville
    • [read by John Lee, M4A @ 32 Kbps]
    • [MP3 @ 128 Kbps]
• 2009
  • H "The Graveyard Book" by Neil Gaiman
    • [read by a full cast, MP3 @ 32 Kbps]
    • [MP3 @ 128 Kbps]
  • N "Powers" by Ursula K Le Guin -> [Ursula K Le Guin Collection]
• 2008
  • HN "The Yiddish Policemen's Union" by Michael Chabon -> [read by Peter Riegert, MP3 @ 48 Kbps]
• 2007
  • H "Rainbows End" by Vernor Vinge -> [M4A @ 32 Kbps]
  • N "Seeker" by Jack McDevitt -> [M4A @ 32 Kbps]
• 2006
  • H "" by -> []
  • N "" by -> []
• 2005
  • H "" by -> []
  • N "" by -> []
• 1967
  • H "" by -> []
  • N "" by -> []
• 1966
  • HN "Dune" by Frank Herbert
    • [George Guidall and Davina Porter/Recorded Books, MP3 @ 64 Kbps] <- endorsed by kassy
    • [All search results for 'dune frank herbert']
  • H "This Immortal" (fka "And Call Me Conrad") by Roger Zelazny -> [read by Victor Bevine, MP3]
• 1965
  • H "" by -> []
  • N N/A
• 1964
  • H "Way Station" (fka "Here Gather the Stars") by Clifford D Simak
    • [Eric Michael Summerer/Audible, MP3 @ 32 Kbps]
    • [M4A @ 32 Kbps]
  • N N/A
• 1963
  • H "The Man in the High Castle" by Philip K Dick -> [read by Jeff Cummings, MP3 @ 192 Kbps]
  • N N/A
• 1962
  • H "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert A Heinlein -> [Robert A Heinlein Megapack]
  • N N/A
• 1961
  • H "A Canticle for Leibowitz" by Walter M Miller, Jr -> [MP3]
  • N N/A
• 1960
  • H "Starship Troopers" by Robert A Heinlein -> [Robert A Heinlein Megapack]
  • N N/A
• 1959
  • H "A Case of Conscience" by James Blish -> [read by Jay Snyder, MP3 @ 32 Kbps]
  • N N/A
• 1958
  • H "The Big Time" by Fritz Leiber -> [read by Suzanne Toren, MP3 @ 64 Kbps]
  • N N/A
• 1957
  • H N/A
  • N N/A
• 1956
  • H "Double Star" by Robert A Heinlein -> [Robert A Heinlein Megapack]
  • N N/A
• 1955
  • H "They'd Rather Be Right" by Mark Clifton and Frank Riley -> [never recorded]
  • N N/A
• 1954
  • H N/A
  • N N/A
• 1953
  • H "The Demolished Man" by Alfred Bester -> [M4A @ 32 Kbps]
  • N N/A

--- backup of current contents of OP, prior to major change of layout ---

[kassyopeia]

Okay, colour-coding is in place now!

I like the result even more than I expected, mainly because of the new compactness gained from un-nesting the list structures. For the colour scheme, I started with the opposite of teal, which already dominates the page due to being the link colour, which is red, assigned that to "both awards", and then used the secondary colours either side of that, yellow and purple (actually orange and purple, for the sake of legibility) to the awards proper.

I expected to save characters as well, but the gain there is negligible, well below 10%. There are a lot fewer markup tags now, but "color=blah" is so much longer than "list" and "li" that it almost balances out. No matter, I reckon that even with no markup at all it wouldn't fit into a single post.

[kassyopeia]

The list now having reached a length of ~22k characters, I had to split it in two - and did split it in three, giving the legend its own. Which actually makes updating it a lot more convenient, in my "meet in the middle" approach.

[kassyopeia]

7 August: Added 2017 and 1953; list ~3% complete.
8 August: Added 2016 and 1955; list ~6% complete.
8 August: Added 2015 and 1956; list ~9% complete.
9 August: Added 2014 and 1958; list ~11% complete.
9 August: Added 2013 and 1959; list ~14% complete.
11 August: Added 2012, 2011, 1961, and 1960; list ~18% complete.

11 August: Added 2010 and 1962; list ~21% complete.
12 August: Added 2009 and 1963; list ~24% complete.
12 August: Added 2008 and 1964; list ~27% complete.
13 August: Added 2007 and 1966; list ~31% complete.
14 August: Added 2006, 2005, and 1965; list ~36% complete.

15 August: Added 2004, 1967, and 1968; list ~42% complete.
20 August: Added 2003, 2002, 2000, 1999, and 1998; list ~51% complete.
21 August: Added 1975, 1974, 1972, 1970, and 1969; list ~58% complete.

23 August: Added 1994, 1978, and 1977; list ~64% complete.

[kassyopeia]

"The Stone Sky's release was anticipated on several 'best of' upcoming science fiction and fantasy lists, including the Washington Post and io9, and reception around its release was laudatory, with reviewers from Tor and The Verge asserting that it was likely to win Jemisin a third consecutive Hugo Award for Best Novel, behind The Fifth Season and The Obelisk Gate."
 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stone_Sky#Reception